Buffy 01/07/03 Showtime [spoilers]

I think Joss has stated in interviews that the Slayer line runs through Faith now. I don’t have the exact cite, but someone else who keeps closer track of these things might. (pepper?) Buffy became, in essence, a dead-end offshoot of the lineage after she died the first time and Kendra was activated.

Well, I’m sure he said it in an interview or something, but interviews do not canon make. However, I think we can safely assume that, since, y’know, there aren’t three Slayers runnin’ around, Buffy’s second death didn’t call another Slayer.

I know, from the recent thread about Satan that linking to a private LiveJournal is frowned on.

And if they frown on linking to Satan’s LiveJournal, how much worse will it be linking to The First Evil’s LiveJournal?

But that’s me – Living on the edge. :smiley:

Daniel

As I said in the other thread, I still think that it’s the first return from the dead, not the second that is the problem.
Nothing happened with the slayer line when Willow & Co brought her back - but when Xander did, it split the line, and it makes more sense that that caused problems. Maybe it just took the first a while to line everything up.

ok…i’ve been out of the loop for a while but i’m pretty sure that the whole reason for the first IS because buffy is still alive. she died once, activated kendra and then faith came along. then buffy died again and came back to life after being dead for like months. that totally screwed up the whole scheme of things…i’m not quite sure how that gave the first evil it’s power but i’m almost positive that buffy’s coming back to life was NOT supposed to happen, especially with faith still alive. i’m pretty sure there’s been no third slayer…it might be possible since faith was in a coma for so long but she never really died…having two slayers can’t work and i agree with the theory that their powers are divided…if anyone’s ever seen the movie The One with Jet Li, it’s very similar to that…there’s alternate universes and one guy decides to kill off his alternate selves in order to harness their power…kinda like that…oh and this is a stupid question but, what happend to angel? the series and the vamp

I just had a weird thought. Say your Slayer is out of commission, like Faith is right now because she’s in jail, or she’s somehow alive but unable to perform her duties (in a coma, off in Rio with a rich jetsetting playboy, etc). Another Slayer isn’t called intil the first one is dead. What does the Council do (if there still was such a thing)? Slip an agent into the jail and try and kill Faith off somehow?

And I think the end of the series should have both Buffy and Willow giving up on the Slayer/Scoobie Gang stuff and help rebuild the council, becoming Watchers for two of the less annoying little SIT’s.

Just my ramblings…

I would appreciate a non-depressing, non-major-character death ending to this season. It doesn’t have to be happy, of course, but no runaway, no sacrifice, just a frigging ending. You can’t top the end of Season 5 IMO, so just let it go. Go out with a whimper. My humble request.

Maybe those slayers who are unable to fulfill their duties are de-activated, so that another can be called if needed. Just a thought.

Can anyone tell me why Buffy was suddenly able to whoop the Ubervamp after 2-3 episodes of getting the crap bet out her?

I think the series should end with Spike vamping Buffy. Wouldn’t that be interesting?

I’m so confused. I turned on UPN this Tuesday, but there was ‘Seinfeld’, and then some sports thing. Did I actually miss a real live Buffy? :frowning:

I’m wondering if Buffy’s going to have a chance at some point to get rid of her slayer powers and pass them along to someone else. There will be a bunch of Slayerettes wanting the privilege – and, of course, it’s what Dawn wants more than anything else.

When the time comes, though, Buffy will have to choose. And she won’t choose Dawn.

Daniel

Hey Lady, the show did get preempted in MN, but we eventually found out that it ran at 10 p.m. Stupid UPN.

Oh, that makes me sad. :frowning:

I missed the last one too, I’m all ‘out of it’ in the Buffyworld!

Thanks for letting me know!

Joss has said repeatedly that the line runs through Faith, not Buffy. But this, however, has not been made clear on the show, so, whatcha gonna do?

As Joyce has told Dawn.

I didn’t say Morpy!Joyce because I’m not convinced that Joyce was Morpy and not sent by TPTB.

I think the weakness in the Slayer line has nothing to do with Buffy at all. The big eye thing didn’t mention her by name as being the problem. My personal theory is that the problem is that current Slayer who is in jail and inactive. With her inactive, she is less likely to die. A new Slayer can only be brought about if the current Slayer dies. If the Slayer who isn’t supposed to be around dies then there is essentially no slayer. There is no new slayer being activated because the one that the line now runs off of is still alive.

To make a long babble short, I think Faith is the problem, not Buffy.

But Faith has been inactive for 3 years. It is true that the FE seems deeply stupid, but I’d like to think that it’s not that stupid. If it was going to make Its move, and Faith was the problem, why not do it when the one girl in all the world who can stop you, really stop you, is dead. By that point, Faith had been inactive for 2 years, Buffy was gone, there was no new Slayer, it would have been the perfect time.
But that’s not how it happened.
Unless the FE was working the Scoobs over last year, which would explain why everything went straight to hell.

You know, I thought about that too when Giles and Anya were talking to the Giant Eye thing. It never mentioned Buffy by name, it just kept saying “the Slayer”. Now, correct if I’m wrong but Buffy is not the Slayer anymore. Oh yeah, she has the Slayer power, but the way the line runs is through Faith, not Buffy. Therefore, whenever any magical being, like the Giant Eye or TPTB, refer to “the Slayer”, I always assume they are talking about Faith. After all, Buffy is just an anamoly.

Point the first: It has been made explicitly clear on the show that the Slayer line runs through Faith. Cordelia states it in season three: (paraphrase) “Oh I get it! Buffy died and Kendra was called. Then Kendra died and you (referring to Faith) was called.” If Cordelia of S3 can figure it out, it’s got to be true.

Point the second: Why is everyone so upset that Buffy was able to beat Ubervamp, even though UV had put the hurting on her a couple times? We’ve seen her lose to opponents in initial meetings before only to beat them later, and hey, in real life people who lose a fight to a guy one time win the next time they fight. Boys and girls, can you say Joe Louis?

Yeah, I agree with Otto. Let’s take a moment to think about all the other things she lost too, only to kick their asses later. Spike, Angelus, Adam, Glory, The Master, Trick almost had her, if it wasn’t for Faith.