Again, misogyny doesn’t mean “cold-hearted” or “sociopathically self-centered,” it means “hatred of women.” Look it up. Warren treated everyone like objects.
Furthermore, it was clear from the bar scene that Warren wanted Katrina more than any other woman, and that he didn’t have a chance in hell of getting her in any other way. It wasn’t his first choice of how to get her, it was his only choice. It wasn’t about revenge–there were better, quicker ways if that was what he wanted–he wanted her. Being Warren, it was all about what he wanted, not what she wanted (a real theme of season 6). I just don’t see misogyny in it, any more than it was made clear that Warren wouldn’t have shot a male superhero, or spoken to, say, Xander, the same way if he had been the powerful witch.
With Warren, it is “me” or “not-a-person.”
Otto wrote:
Well, I did pretty good, I think. It sounds like you are saying that anything she did would have been okay, story-wise. I don’t happen to think so: I think a character should still continue to act like that character, albeit in exteme ways. It seemed uncharacteristic to me. I realize that it may have seemed completely logical to you, if you were focusing on different things.
Again, I am not trying to trash the end of Season 6–I liked a lot of it. I just thought there were some flaws in the way bits were tied together that could have been avoided.
So, what? A person who treats *everyone * like objects *by definition * can’t be a misogynist? That’s silly. A person can be a particularly misogynistic sociopath, trust me. Stop telling everyone to look things up, Otto, it’s offensive. I’m a psychologist, I know what misogyny is. :rolleyes:
I think that Willow’s action were definitly “in character, albeit in extreme ways.” I mean, it’s not like she and Buffy had never gotten in a fight before. And it’s not like the show had never hinted at any resentment from the rest of the Scoobies at their second-banana status to Buffy. It makes perfect sense that Willow, deranged with grief and coked up on black magic, would lash out at Buffy when she starts in with her whole hypocritical “I’m the Slayer, listen to what I’m telling you to do because I know right from wrong” schtick again. Especially when Willow’s suddenly an order of magnitude stronger than Buffy.
I don’t really see this. I mean, the Spike storyline was perhaps the biggest subplot underneath the First Evil arc, and it was all about redemption, healing, and learning (not to mention that Spike isn’t much of a girl). That Spike was the instrument of ultimate victory (and not the girls directly) tends to go against the girl power notion. You can argue that Buffy’s interaction with Spike is what led to his improvement, which shows a different type (and more sado-masochistic version) of girl power, but that would be simplifying things too much. Despite the bleh writing that characterized a lot of Season 7, it seemed clear to me that it was trying to get at a more “life ain’t easy” and “keep learnin” vibe. That’s why spunky Buffy and Faith’s impetuous adventures both ended in disaster. It’s why even the stalwart mentor Giles, in a perfectly calculated, non-possessed way, did something that was almost unforgivable to Buffy. It’s why Buffy’s leadership was broken for the first time ever in the series. I just wish more of this turmoil was developed more (esp. for Giles and Anya) and to include more of the core characters, namely Xander and Willow. Instead we got mini-Slayers.
That’s true, but I have to wonder how Warren won Katrina’s heart in the first place. I think at some point Warren did “reform” (post-April) and accept women as people, as equals, and liked/loved Katrina as one. In the April episode, he did seem sincere to Buffy about his affection, and Katrina does not seem like someone who would fall for false googly eyes. After the Dumping, though, I bet Warren reverted back to his old stuff and turned his former affection into obsession, which helped fuel his descent into the Dark Side. Hello, my name is Andrew!
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It sounds like you are saying that anything she did would have been okay, story-wise. I don’t happen to think so: I think a character should still continue to act like that character, albeit in exteme ways. It seemed uncharacteristic to me. I realize that it may have seemed completely logical to you, if you were focusing on different things.