Is that an oversight or is it more recent solidarity with the Palestinians?
If this provokes some unfortunate Muslim reactions, that would be bad, of course, Luckily, we don’t have a political party so craven and unprincipled as to exploit such a tragedy.
Oh, wait…
Right Wing Leaders Plan To Use September 11th Anniversary To Make Money
I am not faimilar with the terrorism being exported from Sri Lanka and Serbia but I get the impression that muslim nations (especially middle eastern muslim nations produce MUCH more than their fair share of terrorism. Maybe its just the liberal media giving me that impression.
Burning books in the US…'Burn Quran Day’
You know…I understand the sentiment behind this. There’s part of me that wants to pitch a book on the fire.
But I think it’s a bad thing to do in the long run. Actions like that will only strengthen the resolve of the religious whackjobs in the middle east. I’d be willing to bet that if they burn the Korans on 9/11, there’s gonna be a rash of bombings on 9/12 and American troops are gonna die.
I think the minister is trolling for attention for his fledgling 50 head congregation. He will be cleaning up burned bibles on church property until Jesus stops by on his next visit (which will be his own doing).
However, I was dumbfounded to see a news report that the fire department declared ALL books off limits because the INK was a hazard. I see a huge Fred Phelps style lawsuit when they attempt to intervene.
We fake respect but it’s actually fear? It proves that you need a couple of bombing and people will respect you.
The burning is a bullshit action by a bullshit guy, but it has revealed the fear that Islam has instilled in a great many hearts.
Don’t you think people would have the same reaction if people wanted to burn bibles?
Fear? Well, its true I sure wouldn’t want to lose a war with Islam. But not at all interested in winning one, either. Only thing worse than war is needless war.
You’re joking, right?Muhammed cartoons: 100’s dead. Riots all over the place. Boycotts.
Piss Christ: A few death threats and hate mail and someone attempted to smash the exhibit with a hammer. Oh, and the artist lost his grants.
Come on, really?
It seems illogical to accept my argument in order to poison the well, but reject it generally. I mean, fair play to you - I can’t now disagree without you being able to claim that i’m merely ignoring your words.
Anyway, yes, there are books that will tell you what words mean. Unfortunetly, they tend to be written in words also, which just ends up moving the problem up a level. No, using logic you may not learn to correctly parse sentences for what the meaning of the author in intended, at least not infallibly, because there is potential for error at both ends of the process. You may misuse logic, and the author may have misused words in explaining his meaning.
Any book can be used to justify whatever you desire. The Koran is no easier or harder than any other text to justify from. Simple words, as compared to the magnificience that is the convinced brain, don’t really have much chance to play a part.
To the extent that some people need to be threatened in order to demonstrate respect, (at least respect of power), I suppose you are right. I have never felt any particular fear of Muslims and I tend to respect other persons, regardless of their beliefs.
Of course, there has been a demonstration of fear, recently, with people claiming that we ought to prevent a handful of peaceful Sufis from building a community center in Manhattan because it would, in some odd way, show the “wrong message” that folks in the U.S. can actually tolerate diversity.
Just heard about this on KO. Found the link.
Memphis Area Muslims Worshiping At Christian Church During Ramadan
USA! Fuck, yeah!
‘god commands you to hate x’
‘god commands you to love x’
Can you pick the one that makes it easier for a person to love x and the one that makes it easier for them to hate x? Which one makes it harder to love x and which makes it easier to hate x? Assuming that anyone actually cares what god commands, that is.
Or, are you going to stick with your contention that they are the same statement and can be used as anyone sees fit to achieve whatever result they want?
It is not my contention that they are the same statement; they have different words, obviously. The second part is right; it is my contention that they are, effectively, the same statement in terms of what meaning people may draw from them. To put it in those terms, a person who is convinced that god wishes them to hate x will, in general, be quite able to draw equal supportive meaning from each of those sentences.
In places like Syria, Iran, Afghanistan and Libya, sure, but those are violent countries with a bunch of Muslim fundamentalists anyway There wasn’t any rioting or violence by American Muslims, and there wasn’t even much violence by Muslims in Denmark, and the Muslims who did provoke violence in Denmark were all recent immigrants from other countries…a few Tunisians, an Algerian, and a Somali.
I agree with that. It doesn’t make them right, though. The text can stand alone and have meaning regardless of how some people want to interpret them.
All I’m saying is that it is easier to get to C if you don’t have to start from A.
Love->Hate->Kill
I wasn’t under the impression that we were limiting our discussion to NA. If we did I’d agree with you.
If you mean car-bombs and suicide bombers, no.
Thanks.
But this whole thread is about “burn Qurans = people die”. The badly-called “Ground-zero mosque” will result in little more than insulting emails. Big difference.
You haven’t been paying attention to the mosque threads. There have been numerous claims that “allowing” the community center will be seen as a “victory” that will encourage the extremists to commit more atrocities.
(And, of course, there have already been several acts of violence against mosques since the lies began to be spread about the community center.)
As a rule, American Muslims don’t get involved in car bombs and suicide bombers either.