How many World Trade Centers have been blown up? What difference does it make how many? A terrorist site is a terrorist site.
There’s this country in the Middle East I forget the name of. I think it was in the Bible.
The population in US prisons is disproprtionately black. What does that say about black people?
And you equate this in scope and numbers with someone strapping on a bomb and killing themselves and a cafe full of people, or planes full of passengers, and the destruction of billions of dollars of property and the people in them, correct?
Because there is absolutely zero equivalency there. Building a mosque is not offensive and not an insult. It’s offensive to say it’s offensive.
Where do I vilify all muslims? I am asking why does islam produce so much terrorism.
And if Palestinian terrorism was all that we saw then I might see where you are coming from but that is not even close to what we see. In fact palestinian terrorism barely even makes the news here. Its the stuff perpetrated by Egyptians and Saudis and Jordanians in places like Spain and Times Square.
Religion might be a very powerful language with which to communicate extreme political points of view and Christianity has certainly had its periods of ultra-extremism but right here, right now, it is Islam that is being used to justify terrorism, isn’t it?
My mistake. I just saw oakminster taking a pounding for defending the book burners on EXACTLY the same grounds that people used to defend the mosque.
But there were certainly people who thought we shouldn’t do it because it would provoke more terorrism. I say fuck em.
Who’s killed more civilians in the past 20 years, Muslims or the US?
Incidentally, are you familiar with the ethnic cleansing (i.e genocide and mass rape) of Muslims by Christians that occurred in Bosnia in very recent memory? Why don’t the Islamaphobes ever bring that up?
All of them.
This is unfortunate. You’re equating the murder of 3,000 people, which could easily have been 30,000 with the blowing up of a small abortion clinic with no one in it. Come on, man.
No you didn’t. Oakminster got no flak at all for defending the book burners, and once more, there is NO EQUIVALENCY to the mosque.
Which is as much the fault of the Palestinians as the Israelis as any impartial observer would know.
Which is a perfectly valid question. It doesn’t go down well here, because the answer is, the Koran. And, oh…oogie-boogie…how dare anyone judge another’s religion? :eek:
Yes. It’s exactly the same, and you can also add in the bombing of Olympic Park, the Murrah building, the gay bars that Eric Rudolph bombed, the genocide in Bosnia, the Christian terrorist sects in Ireland, etc. Also, you can factor in the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed by the United States for no reason in Iraq.
Osama is a piker compared to us.
Which part of “unsuccessful attempts or arson” was unclear to you? In any case, you have totally missed the point. I was responding to your own earlier contention:
You implied that extremist actions have been left on the scrap heap of history by Christianity. The fact that Christians continue to blow things up would seem to put the lie to that claim, even if they aren’t very good at it.
I think we should tell those fuckers to fuck off too (and for the most part we do) but abortion clinic bombing doesn’t have nearly the death toll or the frequency of terrorism from Islamic terrorists. You can’t point to a score of anti-abortion religiously motivated acts and say “see, Christians do it too so there’s really no difference between Christianity with its score of anti-abortion acts of terrorism” (or any other religion really) and Islam and its recent association with terrorism.
There is a qualitative difference of scale.
It doesn’t. Political pressures create terrorists. Subject any religious culture to the right pressures (including Christians in the late 20th Century), and you get terrororists who use their religion to justify it. It happens with any religion.
I was using the Palestinians as one example, not as an explanation for all of it. I do know that when Muslims are allowed to live and function without despreate political pressures (and that includes a lot of bullshit from their iown ostensible leaders in many countries), they assimilate very well. The US actually has some of the least problems and violence in the world from native and transpalnted Muslims because we don’t ghettoize them as in some other parts of the world, but give them the same rights and opportunities we have. We don’t have riots and petty terrorism like in France because we treat them as equals. That is our greatest strength, and doing shit like trying to stop a perfectly legal, peaceful non-offensive religious structure from being built is about the most counter-productive thing we could possibly do.
Ironic as this would be the linked story looks decidedly fake to me.
That said I find Rev. Jones refusal to address these allegations quite telling 
Yeah but a lot more terrorist seem to be quoting stuff from the Quran than from Leviticus.
Absolutely. The vast VAST majority of Muslims (especially Muslims in America) are regular folks but when you look at terroism around the world these days most terrorists seem to be associated with islam.
You could also translate this as long as you keep them from gathering into sufficient numbers you have no problems with them.
To the loved ones of those killed at those abortion clinics,there’s no difference, and this is missing the point anyway. The question was whether anyone would consider it offensive to build a Christian church near a site which ahd been a target of Christian terrosim. The scale of the particular act is irrelevant to the point.
There certainly is a difference of scale. We’ve had two successful acts of Islamic terrorism on US soil (including the Fort Hood shooter). We’ve had dozens of Christian terrorist attacks.
Anyway, as far as I’m concerned, there is no difference. I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim, and I am to all intents and purposes equally likely to be blown up by one as by the other.