Did you miss the part where one side is holding forward the westboro baptist church on the one hand and the other side is holdig forward half the middle east on the other? What percentage of terrorism worldwide do you think is comitted by muslims? Its a staggeringly huge percentage, how do you explain the huge concentration of terrorism among muslims? I mean, if you got rid of terrorism by muslims you hardly have any terrorism left.
I haven’t read my way through all the pages of this thread.
The people who want to burn Korans are idiots who are helping Al Quidas cause no end and underminding the Wests position as the vanguard of liberty and progress.
The next time some extreme Islamist carries out an atrocity they can quite honestly point at the people who came up with this adventure in stupidity as an example of Western lies and hypocrisy.
I.E. We talk about freedom of religion on the one hand and then carry out acts like this…
So our word is obviously not to be trusted, so its pointless to negotiate.
And the nut jobs murdering innocent people are "justified "in their actions.
All Muslims aren’t the same and don’t think and act the same.
Unfortunately all small minded bigots appear to think the same and act the same whether they’re Christian, Muslim, Jewish or worshippers of the Gianrt Flying Spaghetti monster etc…
So we should protect people’
s right to practice their religion where people murdered 300 folks in the name of that religion but we should restrict people’s ability to burn an icon of that religion?
Almost certainly, yes.
This is a straw man.
Who said anything about US bases?
Anyway, there is a considerable difference between a country giving the US permission to have a base there and getting invaded. I would have thought that would have been obvious to anyone. :rolleyes:
Another straw man.
Who said it was, or that that was a reason?
Erm, let me see …
Perhaps because if we understand what their grievances are we would be in a better position to work something out and stop any future bloodshed.
Too simple?
Just ask yourself what is the difference between yourself and some hotheaded blow hard Iraqi who asks the same questions about the US who invaded his country and killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
He’s actually got a lot more to get worked up about than you have. 
Only if you have so little knowledge of what’s going on in the middle East that you don’t find the answer blindingly obvious.
An irrelevant point. It’s still less than one percent of all Muslims who are extremists. and it’s still equally stupid to villify a billion and a half people you’ve never met for the actions of a few extremists.
The extremism has nothing to do with the religion, by the way. It’s political. Religious;ly motivated violence and fanatacism within a culture is a symptom, not a cause. Muslims integrated into the US tend to be completely law abiding and non-violent because they aren’t subjected to the stresses (or ghettoization) they are subjected to in some other countries.
Lock a bunch of Christians behind barbed wire and armed guards for a while, and Christians would start putting bombs in backpacks too. The religion has nothing to do with it. Any religion will do. It’s the stresses on the population that causes extremism.
Name one person in this thread who has said we should restrict anyone’s right to burn Qur’ans.
There are millions of Americans in jail in the US and the vast majority are of a christian derivative. Few (none actually) are putting bombs in backpacks.
Then you’re concern is that those Muslim’s who don’t hate us know that we don’t agree with the actions of this church? I somewhat agree, but I think we should also emphasize that even if we find it objectionable, it is still something that we will tolerate because we believe in the concept of free speech over someone being offended.
The fact that it is occurring at all makes that taken as read.
There are things in the Koran that specifically call for ‘extremist’ actions. These haven’t been left on the scrap heap of history like similar things have been in Christianity. So, you can’t say it has nothing to do with the religion based upon small minorities of people living within another culture.
Yeah, it’s a good thing modern Christians don’t blow up abortion clinics or anything.
I’m not talking about jail, I’m talking about apartheid.
No. I think they’re smart enough to figure that out. My concern is that we don’t allow sweeping anti-Islamic rhetoric to become socially acceptable. I wasn’t even talk about the book burning, which I don’t give a shit about, but the spewing by some posters in this thread which is indistingushable from spewing about “niggers” or Jews.
Who’s saying we shouldn’t tolerate it?
There are just as many things in the Bible that call for extremist action.
For the vast majority of Muslims, yes they have.
How many abortion clinics have been blown up?
What apartheid?
OK, so what percentage of acts of terrorism in the last 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years do you think were committed by Muslims? I’m not saying that any appreciable percentage of mulsims are terrorists but I am saying that a significant percentage of terrorists are muslims.
OK I guess you are right but I did see a lot of “this pastor is an asshole for wanting to burn books” with percious few “that imam is an asshole for wanting to build a mosque so close to the twin towers”
I don’t think its offensive to build a mosque near the twin towers but I can see how someone else might.
41 in the US and Canada since 1977, not including unsuccessful attempts or arson. Why?
So you’re saying that burning the Quran might encourage or terrorism taht kills innocent people so we shouldn’t do it? That we should walk on eggshells around them?
When the fuck can we call out the global Muslim community for these assholes in their midst? We call out the otherwise inoffensive teabaggers for the racists in their midst and attribute some of that racism to all of them, why can’t we call out the muslims for the murdering terrorists that their population seems to generate with such frequency?
Nobody is saying that most muslims are terrorists but aren’t most terrorists muslims (at least right now)?
I must say that would be a most meaningful gesture to symbolize what America is all about.
We don’t call out teabaggers. We call out the Tea Party. We don’t call out Muslims. We call out radical Islam.
Get it?
what percentage of terrorism is commtted by muslims?
Osama Bin Laden
I didn’t think we invaded Saudi Arabia. You do realizet aht 9/11 happened BEFORE we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan right?
Its one of the common rationales I hear for why these places breed terrorists.
You don’t think we’ve been trying to “work something out”?
I’ve spent the last ten years trying to udnerstand why soemone would do seomthing like 9/11 and after years of trying to walk a mile in their shoes, I can’t empathize with them. There is simply no excuse for what they are doing. Perhaps we play nice because we simply can’t get rid of them militarily but I think its time we stopped trying to be so understanding.
As for the Iraqi hothead, I would say that we had no right to invade Iraq and Iraq had every right to defend itself and all that blood is on our hands. But after the democratic elections in Iraq, all that insurgent activity falls on the heads of the insurgents.
Don’t be coy. Why don’t you enlighten me?