> I don’t believe most christians believe in jesus horses (though I believe a
> sizeable number of them probably do).
No, the point of the OP is that nobody actually ever used the term “Jesus horse” except as a joke. Your statement is a little odd anyway. Of course most Christians never used the term “Jesus horse.” Most Christians aren’t creationists.
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The term “jesus horse” is an “I’m laughing at you!” term aimed at people who believe that man and dinosaurs co-existed. And yes, there are a sizeable number of people who believe that. All I’m saying is it’s no more far-fetched than any of the other christian crap people buy into.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
Seems like you can break the Christians into 3 groups for this particular discussions.
Christians that are faithful but not literal. They accept evolution as the best current understanding from where we came.
The Creationist that at least don’t believe the Earth is only 6 to 10 thousand years old
The nut jobs that believe, teach their children and try to teach others that the earth is only 6000 to 10000 years old. (I think Young Earthers is a common name for these.)
My beef is principally with category 3, though I have little tolerance for cat 2 that
try to push their belief into schools and fight to keep their kids ignorant of evolutionary theory.
#1 I generally have no problem with and I see no real reason to have a problem with them. Live and let live. I am even fine with Divine Spark, a clever idea that could be correct as it can be neither proved nor disproved. I don’t believe it, but I sympathize with it and I think I would like to be able to believe it.
Jim
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By definition, “Jesus Horse”, meaning people and dinosaurs coexisting, only applies to #3.
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane]
By definition, “Jesus Horse”, meaning people and dinosaurs coexisting, only applies to #3.
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I think that was my point. That it is not all creationist that people who celebrate the humor of the “Jesus Horse” are mocking, just the subset of extremely stupid and ignorant dumb-fucks.
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…All points of view deserve respect, even those which are mostly nonsense.
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So, WW, nonsense is not a fit subject for jokes? I think you’ve just outlawed humor. Fortunately, your assertion is wrong. A point of view is not a person, it is an artifact, and therefore is not automatically deserving of respect. You’re also wrong to conflate making a joke with not according an opponent proper respect. That might be the expected reaction of a pompous ass, but not of a serious disputant, even if the stakes are high.
[QUOTE=Wendell Wagner]
…By accusing someone (even if they are thoroughly confused) of a wrong view that they don’t hold, you don’t make your argument better…
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If a joke can illustrate the silliness of a particular worldview, sure it does. And I don’t think anyone should be allowed to limit their opponent’s rhetoric by pretending not to understand the difference between that and an accusation. As for convincing my opponents, since they’re pretty clear that they’ll reject out of hand anything they can’t find written in the King James Bible, I hold out little hope for your promise that they’d be more pliable if others would just argue the way creationists want them to…
[QUOTE=Wendell Wagner]
…And it’s not true that everyone understood that the “Jesus horse” claim was just a joke. Several people who’ve posted to this thread have said that they thought that it was for real.
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And that’s part of the problem: the refusal to understand that something can be a joke even if everybody doesn’t get it. Of course, if someone made a joke, and it was so plausibly similar to my own opinions that a lot of people thought it was actually part of my argument, I might reconsider my worldview rather than blame others for the fact that it’s so easily taken for comedy and vice-versa.
[QUOTE=Zoe] We didn’t call them “Jesus Horses;” people in New York City called them “Jesus Horses.”
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I bet you don’t really refer to your god as a “magic sky pixie” either. “Jesus horses” is very obviously a dig at the genuinely absurd beliefs that a lot of Christians proclaim. Of course the fundies didn’t come up with it; it was created specifically to mock their beliefs. The fact that a few people missed the joke is well explained by Poe’s Law.
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I bet you don’t really refer to your god as a “magic sky pixie” either. “Jesus horses” is very obviously a dig at the genuinely absurd beliefs that a lot of Christians proclaim. Of course the fundies didn’t come up with it; it was created specifically to mock their beliefs. The fact that a few people missed the joke is well explained by Poe’s Law.
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Yeah. This thread is very confusing to me. Those who use the term Jesus Horse are mocking Christians. Are there seriously people who thought Christians really call dinosaurs that? ..the hell!?
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THANK YOU! I was gonna snark on that last night, but the rest of fishbicycle’s post was so sad (an abusive dad & a corrupt Salvation Army post) that I gave him a pass.
Just to clarify- there are many Creationists (I think “most” but I don’t know for sure) who do hold to a much older Earth & Universe. Those like me hold to the Creation Days either as geological epochs or literary devices. Others hold to this being the second Creation after the first one, the prehistoric world of dinosaurs, mammoths & eventually cavemen was destroyed in the Angelic Rebellion. PLUS,
ID does not necessarily equal Creationism to the exclusion of evolution.
And in full disclosure, I waver between Old-Earth Creationism and Theistic Evolution. I do lean to a 6,000 year old Adamic humanity that were chosen/created out of a more ancient humanity.
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I think Adam and Eve and their progeny were the first humans with souls, but there were other humans already on the Earth that Adam’s children married.
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I think Adam and Eve and their progeny were the first humans with souls, but there were other humans already on the Earth that Adam’s children married.
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Wait…huh? I just watched the special “Banned from the Bible” and they didn’t clue me in on this one! Are you saying that some of Adam’s children and these souless humans mated? And their descendants walk among us? Half-souless?
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Yeah. This thread is very confusing to me. Those who use the term Jesus Horse are mocking Christians. Are there seriously people who thought Christians really call dinosaurs that? ..the hell!?
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As others have said, it doesn’t seem very absurd considering that some Christians think the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
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I think Adam and Eve and their progeny were the first humans with souls, but there were other humans already on the Earth that Adam’s children married.
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On what day did God create them?
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Wait…huh? I just watched the special “Banned from the Bible” and they didn’t clue me in on this one! Are you saying that some of Adam’s children and these souless humans mated? And their descendants walk among us? Half-souless?
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The one drop rule applies. If you are related to Adam, your immortal soul belongs to the god monster, who will throw it in the lake of fire if you don’t submit to his extortion. The soulless are immune to his threats.
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This thread is very confusing to me. Those who use the term Jesus Horse are mocking Christians. Are there seriously people who thought Christians really call dinosaurs that? ..the hell!?
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Yes. fishcycle clearly thought so, and to the extent that I thought about it at all (from skimming thread titles), I thought so too.
The fact that intelligent people missed the joke is an indication that “Jesus horse” isn’t a whole lot more outlandish than what creationists really do believe. Nevertheless, it was a joke, and it shouldn’t be relayed as fact.
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Yes. fishcycle clearly thought so, and to the extent that I thought about it at all (from skimming thread titles), I thought so too.
The fact that intelligent people missed the joke is an indication that “Jesus horse” isn’t a whole lot more outlandish than what creationists really do believe.
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I hear ya. And I understand that it may be easy to believe that Christians believe that dinosaurs are actually some sort of beasts that were alive when humans were. I have even heard people claim that the “Leviathan” spoken of in the scriptures is actually a dinosaur. But I think we are doing much worse that playfully teasing Christians when we don’t give them enough credit to not label their belief “Jesus Horses”!
You people have it all wrong. The dinosaur was a beast of burden. So it was actually the Jesus ass. And as with everything related to Jesus. the Jesus ass was holy. Men dominated the jesus ass. And as a beast of burden, men would pack the Jesus ass, but they were not allowed to mount the Jesus ass. If the Jesus ass was overloaded, it would often lose it’s load all over the ground. Often, the Jesus ass needed to be packed repeatedly. The Jesus ass was often whipped. When the Jesus ass was not in use, it was the job of the young men to tend to the Jesus ass. Women were not allowed near the Jesus ass. Occasionally the Jesus ass would roar.
[QUOTE=Freddy the Pig] Nevertheless, it was a joke, and it shouldn’t be relayed as fact.
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It was not relayed as fact, it was the title a Pit thread. While it might have been inapproriate for GQ, a lot more latitude is granted in the Pit, where nothing should be interpretted literally, and it is a good thing too. There are many reasons to mind the forum you are in, such as personal insults and NSFW content. If anyone is offended by Pit threads, they shouldn’t come in here.
The crisis is worse than most of you know. In a park at the foot of Mt. Rushmore in South Dakota, the U.S. government continues to fund a display depicting The messiah and his disciple on a “jesus horse”.
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I hear ya. And I understand that it may be easy to believe that Christians believe that dinosaurs are actually some sort of beasts that were alive when humans were. I have even heard people claim that the “Leviathan” spoken of in the scriptures is actually a dinosaur. But I think we are doing much worse that playfully teasing Christians when we don’t give them enough credit to not label their belief “Jesus Horses”!
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It is not all Christians being mocked. It is whatever small percent believe the Earth is only 6000 or 10000 years old.
Anyone know what percent these deliberate morons represent of Christianity? I would imagine it is below 10% and hopefully near 1%.
If anyone reading this thread belongs to this small and pathetic belief system, I feel justified in belittling their intelligence. They have none apparently and cannot think logically or cohesively.
“Jesus Horse” was a funny joke on a show that has not be known for getting many classic funny lines in a long time. While I am surprised a few posters and some people do not realize it was a joke, I understand that they made the mistake as we are talking about a select group of willfully ignorant assholes that want to push their stupid and antiquated beliefs on others.
