Bush family coincidences

t-keela: The problem with you harping on these “strange coincidences” is that they draw attention away from the real issues in this campaign and allow Bush supporters to attack some silly straw-men ideas.

The real coincidences we should be focussing on are some like these, for example (although I welcome others to chime in with their own!):

(1) The tax cuts that George Bush has enacted coincidentally give an inordinate amount of the breaks to those like Bush and his buddies who are in the top 1% [and this has happened coincidentally at a time when this group has done fantastically (200% increase in real after-tax incomes between 1979 and 2000) while the middle class has seen very little (15% increase…with most of that coming in the boom of the late 90s) and the bottom has seen even less to none].

(2) The Iraq situation has turned into a debacle as well as a complete P.R. disaster for the United States, which is coincidentally what those of us against the war predicted could very well happen (although we generally were not imaginative enough to predict there would be absolutely no WMDs found and that the prisoner abuse scandal would occur).

(3) The solutions that the Bush Administration finds for every problem are coincidentally the same as their original ideology dictated to them that they should be no matter how the problem changes. (We have a surplus? We need to enact these tax cuts to give the money back to the people. Oh, now we have a recession? We need to enact these exact same tax cuts to stimulate the economy. Oh, now we have a big budget deficit? We need to enact these same tax cuts to grow the economy and grow our way out of the deficit [insert suppply side voodoo here].)

(4) The Bush Administration has coincidentally used deception, fear, and lies to sell its policies across the entire spectrum of issues, well beyond that which has normally been used in American political discourse at least as far as I can remember.

(5) Some of the biggest beneficiaries of many of the Bush policies (the power companies, the pharmaceutical industry) are coincidentally big campaign contributors to Bush and the Republicans.

(6) The missile defense system has coincidentally come online as supposedly operational just before the 2004 election. And, this is certainly quite a coincidence since it is in fact way before this system has actually shown itself to work under any sort of realistic operational conditions.

And, we can go on and on. And, the advantages of these “coincidences” is that they aren’t vague with unclear implications. It is all too clear that they are more than just coincidences.

Atticus
It’s funny you should bring up those assassination coincidences. A few months ago, I posted an “assassination coincidence” thread. Yes, I know it’s been done to death but here are those eerie “Garfield/McKinley” coincidences.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=260018&highlight=McKinley

You sir, are the winner of this thread.

Jack said As long as you keep making nutty assertions…

So, I’m asking you again, one last time, in clear English.
What exactly is it that I have said in this thread that you disagree with?

Is that plain enough for you? What exactly have I written that you define as a “nutty assertation”?
If you will simply quote what I said that you need verification on, I will do my best to provide it for you.

Okay? Is that fair enough?

So it’s either, or. I’m a liar or stupid and gullible. Go ahead, take your shots too. Disingenuous, about posting WHAT conspiracy?
Stupid…how so? Stupid and/or gullible to believe that a person can have an intelligent conversation about whatever one might choose as a topic. Gullible enough to believe that here at the SDMB WE try to enlighten those with whom we disagree. Rather than stooping to childish name calling and sarcasm or just downright rude behavior. I suppose that I am a bit naive in thinking that we strive for a bit more civility than the average message board.
Apparently I was wrong.
Pretty stupid huh?

Whoa, hey, don’t force us to make that choice.

You too Bryan? :frowning:

jshore “The real coincidences we should be focussing on are some like these…”
I can appreciate your point. You are correct in that sense. However, I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I asked a simple question in hopes of getting some sincere replies.

Regarding the list:
I realize that most of this is probably mere coincidence. Some of it is just the nature of the beast (politics). The fact that the Bush family has been the target of their own enemies also is a factor. Wealthy, powerful and influential people are going to cross paths. They spend their lives in running in international circles and their paths are bound to cross. The Bush family has for several generations been involved with politics, oil, military, finance, and weapons. As a result they would naturally be exposed to or involved (either directly or indirectly) in numerous dealings that might appear to be, shall we say, less than upfront.

I can accept that as a probable explanation for many (or even MOST) of the frequently cited events which “prove” the Bush corruption.
That being said, it still doesn’t erase the “fact” they happened. Even with this broadstroke of an excuse, I still think it is an interesting subject. Whether any actual “conspiracy” exists or not is irrelevant to me. I like puzzles, okay. I like to see the whole picture. I guess I’ll never be able to convince those of you who think I’m just paranoid. I don’t suppose it really matters, does it.

If you don’t understand where I’m coming from that’s cool. To each his own. But don’t get pissed at me for looking. I could’ve done the same thing with any number of historically influential families across the world. It just so happens that this is one of the most prominent in the past century.
Did I post this thread to start a Bush war or to stir up a bunch of Dopers? No, I sure didn’t.

I see that one pitting isn’t enough for some folks now. I get two for the price of one. Thanks Muad’Dib I appreciate the thought.

I think I’ll sum up and let this die if y’all will let it.

Do I trust Bush? No, I don’t.
Do you?
Do I think he would lie and manipulate things to his advantage? Yes I do.
and you?
Do I think he killed JFK? No I don’t.
Do I think he had Reagan shot? No I don’t.
Do I think he had Salam BinLaden killed? No I do not.
Do I think he had anything to do with Laura’s boyfriend’s death? Absolutely not.
Do I think he knew Jack Ruby? Yes
Do I think he was involved in Watergate somehow? Yes
Do I think he lost millions of $$$ invested by the BinLaden’s? absolutely
etc.
etc.
Do I think these are interesting details in one family’s history? Definitely
So what?

Great. First lunacy now paranoia and still six weeks to go.

Well, kid, you just invite it.