I didn’t say Laura was evil, I just said she killed a guy.
Of course, if it had been GeeDubya at Chappaquidick, he’d have swum to shore, walked home, change clothes and called the police to report the car as stolen.
And got clean away with it.
Kinda like Kennedy did, right?
Jennifer Fitzgerald.
And in the meantime, how exactly do we relate Laura Bush running a stop sign and Neil Bush running around on his wife? So we’ve concluded that George W. Bush has imperfect relatives. What does this mean in terms of his condemnation or lack thereof of adultery?
And let’s not forget the utterly spurious charges of murder that were lodged against the Clintons in rgard to the deaths of Vince Foster and Ron Brown, not to mention ridiculous allegations of drug smuggling, etc. I wonder if milroyj was as incensed about those allegations as he is about me dragging up the Laura Bush incident.
Tell that to the cop who pulls you over when he catches you and see if you get out of a ticket.
:rolleyes:
And don’t forget to call him a fuckwit. 
Guys, can we please get away from the Laura Bush hijack? I have heard our president and other conservatives talk a great deal about how allowing homosexuals to marry is some great threat to marriage, including that whole Marriage Protection Week business, yet apparently adultery isn’t worth mentioning. How is allowing gobear to marry his partner more of a threat to marriage than Neil Bush’s inability to say “No” to women other than his wife?
As far as I’m concerned, this whole business of proclaiming the evils of homosexuality while keeping silent on adultery is hypocrisy of the highest level. I’m also appalled that people who speak loudest about the importance of family values and who were most critical of Clinton during the whole Monica Lewinsky business, i.e. Henry Hyde, Bob Barr, and Newt Gingrich have been married three times (the latter 2) or confessed to an extramarital affair and divorce (the former – it went on until he was in his 40’s and he called it a “youthful indiscretion” :rolleyes: ). Marriage vows, to me, are not tissue paper, to be used up and tossed out. Apparently Mr. Neil Bush disagrees with me. Not surprising.
Oh, Lord Ashtar, it is possible for a person to find an action morally wrong yet not be in favour of making it illegal.
Respectfully,
CJ
According to the book George & Laura, when Laura Bush was having trouble conceiving, the Dubya’s started the paperwork to adopt a friend’s foster child. When they found out Laura was pregnant, they put the adoption on hold until they would see how the pregnancy turned out.
I hope the soon-to-not-be-adopted child never heard of the incident.
Neil Bush’s mistress was his mother’s aid at one time. He left his wife and children and did not pay the mortgage on the house, causing it to go into foreclosure and his soon-to-be-ex-wife and children to almost be homeless. Fortunately, his daddy bought his soon-to-be-ex-daughter-in-law and grandchildren a new house.
Does this apply to gay Episcopal bishops too?
If you started a rant condemning your new bishop for doing essentially the same thing as Neil Bush, I must have missed it.
In other words, you are condeming him for hypocrisies you have no reason to believe he has committed.
Right. So apart from Neil Bush, George Bush, Henry Hyde, Bob Barr, and Newt Gingrich, you aren’t interested in politicians’ personal lives at all. And you would be just as likely to start a Pit thread if, for instance, some politician’s son got caught driving the getaway car while his friends burglarized a country club to steal beer.
Does that beam in your eye ever bother you?
Regards,
Shodan
No, running a stop sign is not a crime, but vehicular homicide certainly is. The trial of Rep. Bill Janklow (R-SD) for doing exactly that is about to start, ya know. Might keep track.
Boston Irish joke: “Teddy was just taking that sweet Mary Jo girl to midnight mass, when they got to a bridge built by one of them Eye-talian contractors.”
Old Volkswagen ad, showing a Bug floating next to a bridge: “If Ted Kennedy drove a VW, he’d be President today.”
I agree. What was this in reference to again?
Lord Ashtar, I was referring to this post of yours on the first page:
Shodan, as far as I know, Bishop Robinson did not commit adultery while married to his wife, nor did he do the kind of financial shenanigans Neil Bush has. If you can give me reliable evidence that he did commit adultery, I give you my word of honor that not only will I withdraw my support from him, I will do all I can to get my current church, which has been one of his more vocal supporters around here, to withdraw their support as well. I realize “reliable” is a pretty nebulous term, and I’m afraid I can’t do much to pin it down, but it will have to be more concrete than the accusations of sexual harrassment which were made against him, and I’d prefer to see independent cites from reasonably middle of the road sources as close to the original participants as possible. For the record, I take my word very seriously and I do not give it lightly.
Given that I have consistently opposed adultery throughout my career here and throughout my life, I genuinely do not know what log you’re referring to. Am I indulging in sinful schadenfreude over yet more political hypocrisy? Yes, and I confess it to you as I have confessed it to God, although I’m more frustrated than pleased. I’ve lost a friend, a Christian preacher, who tried to talk me into an adulterous relationship with him. I understand temptation, and, in fact, I expect I’ll be in a situation where indulging in sexual behaviour which I consider sinful is going to be extremely tempting. To yield to that temptation would be sinful and dishonorable to me, the gentleman in question and to God, and neither of us is even married!
I realize that many people in the conservative camp disagree with me. It’s been a common pattern in my life. Nevertheless, I refuse to believe that homosexual monogamy is more of a threat to marriage than heterosexual adultery, and I am offended that the former gets far more publicity as a threat. If that offends others here, I regret that, but so far the world is such that it seems everyone will do or believe something which offends someone and will in turn, be offended by something other people do.
Right now, I’m most offended by my boss having brought me back a cold as a souvenir of Germany. Where’s that NyQuil?!
Respectfully,
CJ
Siege,
I think Shodan was probably just talking about divorce rather than adultery. (and Shodan, there are no allegations that Bishop Robinson was ever unfaithful in his marriage. IIRC, he did not begin his relationship with his current partner until several years after his divorce. The notion thrown around by some of his opponents that he left his wife for another man is unfounded.
That was not an actual VW ad; it was a parody published in IIRC the National Lampoon.
Diogenese, if it were just the divorce, I would have shrugged and left it alone. If it were even the divorce and the financial shenanigans, I still would have let it be. I may be becoming as cynical as you are, but I’m afraid I’ve come to expect financial stuff like Bush pulled from the people at the top of the food chain, and, while I may not like it, divorce is all too common these days. It wasn’t even the way Laura Bush was treated since, like the financial stuff, I didn’t even find out about it until I looked for cites for this thread (my boss vetoed the raise to $5,000 a month for answering the phone, by the way).
What pushed me over the edge was this business about women walking into his hotel room and insisting he have sex with them. A, I’m not buying that for a second, and I don’t care whether he did or not (the women, in terms of whether or not they were prostitutes, that is). B, if it really did happen and he was genuinely unable to say refuse, then either he’s presumably a victim of multiple rapes, which is not something I’d brag about, although I must admit that, by my own, purely personal interpretation of things, a person who is raped is not committing adultery during the rape, which could let him off the hook.
To me, to say that Bishop Robinson “did the same thing” is like saying that because Madonna and I have both been to England, we “did the same thing.” While the act of going to England was the same, other things we did which during it and leading up to it are quite different. Among other things, I spent too much of my time surrounded by relatives to meet Guy Ritchie or some other likely English bloke.
CJ
Mrs Bush wasn’t charged, let alone convicted of, vehicular homicide, or any other crime, so those calling her a “killer” are just a wee bit over the top.
Jack the Ripper wasn’t convicted either.
I agree with you Siege. I just thought one of your prior posts may have given Shodan the idea that you were condemning divorce. It looked to me like you were just talking about adultery but I was trying to give a charitable interpretation to Shodan’s question. He’s usually reasonably informed about these topics (even though I virtually never agree with his opinions) and I was assuming that he knew that there was no allegation of adultery in Bishop Robinson’s marriage and therefore must have been focusing only on the divorce. I guess we won’t know for sure until he shows up in this thread again.
I guess it’s possible that he was under the misapprehension that Robinson had started another relationship prior to his divorce and if that’s the case his point is easily refuted (and his “log” doesn’t exist).