note his admission.
Got that cite on Kennedy yet?
FIrst??? you fuck!
we asked 3 mother fucking pages ago and you call me a twit?
You are really a worthless piece of scum, arent’ you?
Don’t get all irrational, dear. Maybe you should lie down. Some smelling salts, perhaps?
Here’s Cheney’s, just to be thorough. Now hozabout that Kennedy cite?
here’s one that mentions convictions for both
that makes three proofs offered by me, to your, zip
The Smoking Gun is not a legitamite cite. Maybe you need smelling salts, too, wuss.
nah, just an admission or two from you that you made spurious allegations, that Dio and I have documented our facts, that you repeatedly have failed to admit that any of your ‘folks’ have done anything wrong ever, while falsely accusing us of ‘giving a pass’ to wrongful acts.
Bush, Cheney = convicted drunk drivers.
Laura Bush, Ted Kennedy, Janklow = folks who’ve killed other people while driving.
wring = some one who did not claim Laura Bush was drunk; some one who provided cites when asked
milroyj a weaseling toad of a poster who makes false claims about public figures (Kennedy driving drunk), makes false claims about posters (claimed that I claimed Laura Bush was drunk); demands cites from others while continuing to ignore demands for cites for his assertions; etc etc etc.
apparently you’ve failed to notice the second cite I provided, a news source. and of course, ignoring yet again both the proof about GEorge’s conviction and the repeated requests for cites from you, you schmuck.
Have those smelling salts kicked in yet dear? Apparently not.
Some family members/associates may or may not have been convicted of DUI. Still doesn’t make Laura a killer. Shut up, already.
still no cite from you regarding your allegation.
you really are worthless. I’ll be linking this thread to any request from you in the future for any proof. YOu’ve repeatedly ignored requests for your assertions, and when I’ve provided proof of mine, your handwaving ‘lalalalala I can’t hear you’ is deafening.
you really are a putz. what a collosal waste of time.
I’d like to know why the Smoking Gun is not a legitimate cite? can you show me something they’ve put on their site which is false? Did you notice that they actually have photocopies of thecourt docket and the police report or are you going to claim that they just phonied them up?
Awww…it’s no use, wring. Some people are just beyond help. And I thought I was partisan.
just link this thread Dio next time you run into him. I know I will
What’s the point? This thread isn’t much different from all the other threads milroyj has posted in.
He’s probably trying hard, but when all he’s got to work with is:
- a shortage of intellectual horsepower
- a lack of honesty
- a whining, snivelling personality
he can’t really come across as anything other than a completely useless fucking jerk. 
it’ll explain to others why I’d not bother. “why didn’t you answer milroyj’s demand for a cite?” "'cause I’m still waiting for him to put up or shut up here 
<Ted Kennedy-related hijack> It’s odd, but I remember seeing a preserved newspaper in the Griffith Park Observatory where the headline was some astronomic event I can’t recall. One of the other stories on that same page was a report on the very driving-related incident being bandied around here.
Wish I could remember what the headline the Observatory people WANTED you to pay attention to was… </Ted Kennedy-related hijack>
Is Clinton a liar? Well, of course Clinton is a liar! A politician doesn’t run for office, he tunnels his way there, and his tongue is the shovel. He even smiles like a door-to-door Bible salesman. I didn’t vote for him because he was a virgin, I voted for him because my whore has less obvious STDs and running sores than yours!
GeeDubya is ignorant, rash, aggressive, and the victim of a wildly exaggerated self-esteem. The bull-headed certainty of his convictions has landed us in the nastiest shitswamp since SE Asia. But he’s not a war criminal.
I’m sorry, Wring, but you’ve examined the accident reports from both Janklow and Laura Welch and are prepared to say that the circumstances were exactly identical? That seems unlikely.
In this article on Janklow’s accident (http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/6563024.htm), there’s the following description of charges that can be leveled in a case where an accident results in death:
"Vehicular homicide is the most severe charge in fatal accidents, but alcohol or drugs have to be involved, Deputy Attorney General Bob Mayer said Tuesday. The maximum penalty for vehicular homicide is 15 years in prison and a $15,000 fine.
If alcohol is not involved, second-degree manslaughter can be charged if evidence suggests death was caused by recklessness, which is defined as a conscious and unjustifiable disregard of substantial risk, Mayer said. Second-degree manslaughter carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
Careless driving, a misdemeanor punishable by up to 30 days in jail and a $200 fine, also could be charged if there is no evidence of a conscious disregard of risk, Mayer said."
Although Laura Welch’s case was not in the same jurisdiction, I suspect the laws are similar in most states. If Laura Welch was never charged, then there was apparently no compelling evidence that suggests a conscious disregard of risk. Calling her a killer is essentially a mean-spirited attack on her spouse, because no one would be fixating on this case and dredging up past tragedies if there wasn’t a chance to point a finger and gloat, “Oh, look, the Bush’s have feet of clay! Laura Bush killed a friend 40 years ago and therefore the Bush family is a festering pit of sin and corruption!”
We essentially had the same discussion in the BBQ pit a month and a half ago when Cartooniverse listed the “Top 11 known arrests/crimes from the family that was supposed to restore dignity…” .
That OP was just as asinine as the current discussion. Laura Welch’s accident took place 17 years before she even * met * Bush and nothing in her biography indicates that it was anything but a tragic incident in an otherwise normal and even laudable life. (Wring – I believe you are a corrections officer – would anything have been gained by charging Laura Welch with manslaughter? Think a few years in jail would have helped her become a model citizen? I mean more so than an advocate of education and literacy First Lady of the US?)
And, to get back to the OP, how exactly is Bush responsible for his brother’s actions? As I said in Cartooniverse’s thread, unless we somehow believe that a moral taint runs through families, all we can conclude from Neil Bush’s behavior is that Neil Bush is a jerk.
I’m guessing here that you didn’t even read the OP.
Finagle - the point I made was that each of those persons ran a stop sign, hit another vehicle and caused the death of another person by doing so. Each of those elements have been proven. I don’t recall making the claim that the entire incidents were identical, merely that the ‘running of a stop sign, causing the death’ is the same. (in fact, the quote you cited displays exactly that - ‘had a car accident, ran a stop sign, hit a person, that person died’)
milroyj kept asserting (erroneously) that a car accident wasn’t a crime, running a stop sign wasn’t a crime, yet we see that’s simply not so (which is what I asserted).
No, I’m not a corrections officer, but do work w/convicts (25 years and counting). I already acknowledged that times certainly have changed since then, that folks take both drunk driving and car accidents where some one dies through the fault of another driver, very much more seriously. Is that a good thing? over all, yea, I’d say so. Hopefully, we’re more vigilant in our driving 'cause of it.
Do I think that Laura would have been better off? I don’t know, I don’t know her, but I do know that the system isn’t set up to simply cater to what the potential defendant would best be served by. There are other concepts such as ‘justice’, ‘victims rights’, and ‘deterance factor’ for other potential defendants. So, the question you pose isn’t, IMHO, and IME, a relevant one.
Stating that she is (factually) a killer, may cause folks like milroyj to turn purple, but I found it interesting that he absolutely denied that she was at all culpable ‘it was an accident’, while at the same time, calling out for blood on another famous person who got involved in an ‘accident’ where some one died.
Compare and contrast that position (“Laura got into an accident” vs. “Kennedy got away with drunk driving” where there is **absolutely no proof ** offered up to substantiate the ‘drunk’ part of it), with Dio/me who acknowledge that both are ‘killers’ in the same sense of the word and offered up proof for assertions made (‘yes, car accidents causing death can be charged criminally;’, “yes, Laura BUsh was driving, ran a stop sign and killed another person”; “yes, Bush was convicted of drunk driving”; “yes, so was Cheney”).
I don’t know the guy she killed, so we’ll never know what kind of contribution he might have made. I’ve seen reports that indicate that she’s quite remorseful about the incident, it does indeed appear that she’s done wonderful things w/her life. None of this alter the facts that:
- She did, in fact, cause the death of another person, even if it was unintentional.
- Other people in very similar circumstances have been charged with crimes.
- Much has changed since Laura, George and Dick committed these acts, and that such acts today would likely be treated in a much more harsh manner. (witness Janklow’s prosecution; various drunk driving laws around the country etc.)
I don’t recall saying, suggesting that she’s an evil person etc. Just that she did, in fact, cause the death of another person. as did Kennedy. as did Janklow