You know, I agree. In the mean time, I think I’d better just stop reading this particular thread before it makes my head explode.:rolleyes:
So, I’m guessing from what I’ve read, it’s pretty clear that Blue John is nothing but a troll, right?
Who cares is Blue John is a troll or not?
Just look at all the people who are having tantrums cause they didn’t like what he typed on a message board.
That’s pretty funny.
Y’all think you are going to convert this guy or something?
Add your 2 cents, let him add his… and move on. We aren’t always gonna agree ya know!
They didn’t like what he typed on this message board because he’s deliberately trying to cause ignorance or manipulation of fact, Miss Bungle. Have you forgotten the main reason for this message board to exist is to fight ignorance?
BJ.
You’ve finally convinced me.
I’m incapable of logical thought.
I’m totally in thrall to my hormones.
I’m completely irrational, and unable to function properly without the supervision and leadership of a man.
I’m dropping out of med school and moving in with irishfella.
No doubt i will find emotional fulfillment living with him, devoting myself to cooking, cleaning and needlework.
I hope to be pregnant by this time next month.
And the Russian judge has just awarded Stalin and Lucretia Borgia a perfect 6.0 in Hell’s 1st Annual Figure-Skating Championship.
Well, it certainly took you long enough to come to your senses (not that I really believe you came to your senses. Surely irishfella set you straight)!
Emphasis mine.
My God! We thought he was a whack job for quoting Otto Weininger. It actually turns out that he is actually worse than Otto.
Oh, and hyperjes isn’t a leech. She is my partner, and an immensely valuable one, at that. She has a different way of thinking about things than I do. Sometimes, perhaps, that comes from her being a woman. But mostly in comes from her being a person who isn’t entirely like me. When we communicate effectively, these differences of thought lead us to successes in life that one or the other of us would not be capable of on our own. Together, we are greater than the sum of our parts. It is a shame for you, Blue John, that you will never be able to experience that.
and a parting shot…
A cynical (certainly not anyone on this board) person might draw the conclusion that this “misunderstanding” was not only your fault, but intentional. That same cynical person might draw the conclusion that had you not been called out on it, you would have let it stand and left people with their “misunderstanding” that your posistions were supported where they were not. In short,
BlueJohn, you suffer from the misapprehension that if you call something a fact, it is therefore a fact.
Many of your statements about women are about three or four levels removed from fact, however. “Women are a leech on society”? What society are you talking about? In order for that statement to be falsifiable, you’d need to point me to a society composed entirely of males – a difficult thing to do.
If a society is composed of men and women, then women are part of society. How, then, are they a leech on society?
That’s like saying that the left side of my body is a leech on my body. It’s nonsensical.
Please, talk to a therapist. Even though you don’t think you need to, I’m almost certain that you’ll not regret doing so; if you find a good one, you might even be able to come back here in a year or so and apologize to us for the feces-flinging you’re doing now.
Daniel
DanielWithrow, that was beautiful.
Um, no, this makes you sound, at best like you have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
At worst, it makes you a sociopath.
Aslan2, I’m not a troll. I don’t see how anyone can think I’m a troll. Nor am I trying to cause ignorance or manipulation of fact, I have been the only one willing to listen to the facts. It was the feminists and useful idiots refusing to listen to reason, prefering to talk in anecdotes and of how plausable the disproven statistics seemed.
I’ve just voiced my opinions and answered a few questions and received all this abuse. Like MissBungle said, you shouldn’t fly off the handle because someone challenges the sacred cows of feminism.
Like istara’s last post:
What could I have possibly said that would elicit that? If you’re going to lose it about this you must be very easily offended.
[d]d_redguy**, what makes you think Otto Weininger was a nutter?
Yes, I am “worse” than him. He didn’t believe in the absolute man or absolute woman, only in a gender continuum, I suppose I should call it. The extreme cases would be those closest to the absolute woman.
I did say Otto didn’t go far enough. A woman is a puppet who will follow whoever pulls her strings, a man or a movement. They are always the most hateful followers of a movement, although too cowardly to act on this, always the most passionate followers of a charismatic leader. This is because they have no Self. They are filled with what controls them. Feminism, patriotism, whatever else.
And while your urge to come to the defence of your “partner” is abominable and sickening, I never said she is a leech. Maybe she isn’t, although most women are. I wasn’t speaking of any individual woman but of women as a class. It was a generalisation, not a universal statement.
Women, as a class, take more than they give. They are consumers rather than producers. They are leeches, their relationship with men is that of parasite and host, if we forget about childbirth.
Women do less work than men is industries than create less wealth. Women watch more TV in every timeslot than men, women control 85% of wealth in America while creating virtually none. They purchase the vast majority of luxury items, the NHS (UK) spends eight tims as much on research and spending for women as it does for men, women receive the vast majority of the money flowing out of the government, while men pay the large majority of taxes ad infinitum.
I am not against the welfare state, either. I am a masculist socialist, I would like the welfare state reformed to help poor, largely minority, men rather than women.
Perhaps lust is clouding your mind because you lower yourself to the level of woman. Many men can admit the evils of feminism, although you don’t seem to be one of them, but few can admit that the enemy isn’t some strange woman out there that he only knows from television newscasts, it’s that little bundle of sexual pleasure lying next to him.
The stealth bigots, crypto feminists, are the most dangerous.
Perhaps if you freed your mind from her influence you would see the truth about her, women, the frequency of rape and the nature of your own being.
Your misguided and ill-intentioned leap to defend hyperjes is just the type of thing I had hoped was long dead. Can you delude yourself for even a moment that she would ever defend you? There are few if any women who have the capacity, let alone the inclination, to defend a man as an individual or men as a class.
In other words, how does your knee jerk so rapidly and regularly in the shining armour? Take of the armour, notice it doesn’t fit the missus and shove it up yourself.
And don’t be so cynical, if you hadn’t made me aware of my error I wouldn’t even have realised.
DanielWithrow, I never claimed that particular statement, that women are leeches on society, as a verifiable fact. It is an opinion which I can argue reasonable for and which I consider to be obviously correct.
The left half of your body? No, women are more like the worms in your intestines, if you have any. Maybe if the left hand side of your body is paralysed but still requires sustenance, donating nothing to the whole but a dead weight.
Women are quite useful for reproduction, necessary even, for now. Apart from that, leeches. They could change this if they made an effort, as a class, to do so. They don’t.
When I was a kid, years ago, I was made to go to a therapist. I got nothing out of it then and I doubt I’d get anything out of it now.
irishgirl, do what you want. I’m not talking about forcing women to do what is right, what’s the point in that? That is always my philosophy, do what you want. Let your actions reflect who you are.
It’s what you are that counts, not what you do. Women should want to do those things.
Sociopath? I can cope with that. What’s negative about what I wrote, Guinastasia?
I don’t see how I must be narcissistic, I’m just comfortable with myself. Confident, there is no guilt gnawing at my mind, I am trouble free. Nothing worries me, occassionally excepting the pain in my ankles. Is being tension free a mental illness?
Maybe I’m a sociopath, I don’t know what one of those is, so I can’t say it’s not possible.
Why are we bothering with this particular individual? To me, he’s no more than a gnat. Does he think that women are less intelligent than men? That doesn’t bother me – I’ve got a piece of paper in my wallet which says there’s a 98% chance I’m smarter than him, and, given the opinions he’s expressed and some of the things he’s stated as fact, I’d say it’s closer to 100%. Does he think women are “leeches on society”? I’ve got tax bills which say otherwise, no to mention various professional credentials and pieces of volunteer work.
Blue John said back on page 1 he could produce evidence to back up his opinions, but I’ve yet to see any. Quite frankly, while it may well it exist, it should be about as easy to refute as arguments that the moon landing never happened.
While the size of his ignorance may be stunning, this target’s too small for me to fight. I’ll take on dragons with great delight, but this one’s somewhere between a chihuahua and a gnat.
CJ
BlueJohn, you are a narcissistic asshole who is jealous of a kind of relationship that you, in your current state are unable to attain. I would defend d_redguy to my last breath. What he did by defending me is a reciprocation of the same respect and love that I give him on a daily basis. I don’t see how you could possibly find his “urge” to come to my defense as “abominable and sickening.” Although, since your views as a whole are twisted and backward, I suppose you might confuse those words with loving and admirable.
BlueJohn, this “leeches on society” horse won’t run. The furthest I’ll go with you is this: most of the primary wealth creation in our society is done by men, and we don’t seem to see women clamouring for equal rights to build skyscrapers, work down mines, drive combine harvesters and locomotives, smelt steel or lay roads; at least not with the same fervour with which they demand equal opportunities to shatter glass ceilings and pick up a bigger piece of the pie in comfy office employment.
True, since we have redefined wholesale the cultural framework such as to make it many times easier for women to rid themselves of men they have tired of, some women have mistaken their independence from any one man for an independence of all women from all men.
But this laughable error isn’t adequately corrected by going too far in the opposite direction. True, the vast majority of wealth is created by men. True, the vast majority of female employment isn’t concerned with wealth creation. True, women control spending out of all proportion to the amount of wealth that women create, and true, the amount of anti-male imagery in advertising that is engaged in playing kiss-ass to these great spenders is irritating in the extreme. But to call women “leeches on society” simply in virtue of this is illogical, and as for “intestinal worms”, I don’t believe you’re serious.
In modern society a large proportion of all employment is not concerned with wealth creation as such - and I’d hesitate to liken to an intestinal worm, for instance, the young woman who politely, quickly and ably processed the cheque I took to the bank this morning. Focusing on wealth creation is an apposite and justifiable argument to use on those who ridiculously claim that men have outlived their usefulness (and, sadly, there are such). It does not therefore follow that all non-creators are parasites.
I believe that in taking the extreme stance that you have chosen, you obscure the justice of some of the better points that you make: the inequitable and iniquitous sex bias in health spending, for instance, where you quite rightly point out that disproportionate amounts are spent on women’s health issues while men’s health issues (that occasion at least as much loss of life) go under-funded and under-reported. Similarly, we could remark on the badly skewed presentation of the very serious issue of domestic violence - it’s only the other week that the BBC did a short “season” on this, and the naïve viewer could have been forgiven for coming away with the impression that this is simply an “evil male versus innocent female” issue. But no such points are likely to get a fair hearing as long as you persist in slandering the entire sex.
The worst excesses of feminism arise when its most extremely misandric representatives seek to apportion all virtue to women and all vice to men. However, although “four legs good, two legs bad” is a very bad argument, “two legs good, four legs bad” is no better. The human race consists of two different sexes, and it is nonsensical to argue that either of them is in any way superfluous. Nonsensical and dangerous; for once you have dehumanised the object of your displeasure, it is far too easy to justify all manner of inhumanity against it.
Good lord. Malacandra the moderate misogynist fuckwit vs. Blue John the fringe misogynist fuckwit.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll fight to the death.
No, I don’t wish death on either of them.
It’s not a very pretty sight.
Desmostylus, there’s already a thread devoted to my supposed misogyny. If you think you can make that shoe fit, come on over, speak your piece, and get your sorry butt kicked. Otherwise butt out, and you can make room for those two jerks thumb up a post or two on the horse you rode in on.
True. With the help of cj’s even-handed, rational statements, I have decided that this is my last post to this assclown. But I just can’t resist one more shot. So make the most of it Blue John, 'cause I ain’t feeding you no more after this.
First you say this:
But then you say this (emphasis mine):
You are contradicting yourself. Who is the puppeteer in male/female relationships, Blue? The sex kitten female or the righteous, fully conscious male? Nevermind answering. It isn’t worth hearing.
Yawn. Cite? you know what, don’t bother with the cite, either. It is bound to be inaccurate, seeing as women contribute to society in so many ways that your piddly little statistics won’t show. but you wouldn’t know about that, now would you?
Good luck with those generalizations, guy. They go far in life. People who make too many generalizations get their own label: bigot. As far as being abominable and sickening, and coming to my “partner’s” defense, well, that is what “partners” do for each other. Even at the risk of being “abominable” and “sickening”.
It actually fits her quite well, although it is a bit tight in the chest.
OK, I am now officially done with you. You are too small a target, as cj points out.
From the a-stopped-clock-is-right-twice-a-day department:
I see this, and am annoyed by it as well. Mommy tends to correct Daddy (or substitute Wifey and Hubby, if you prefer) on a matter of high importance (such as what kind of laundry detergent to use), far too frequently. Hyperjes and I call this the “Daddy’s Dumb!” effect. We hate it. BTW, I am not attacking you, Mal, because I don’t see you as a misogynist. 
Hyperjes may have a different POV, but that just points to the fact that she is nobody’s puppet.
Oh, and MissBungle, I won’t waste my time with you other than to echo DAVEW0071’s sentiment that: