Did your family enter the country illegally?
Well, I think it would be great to go live in Hef’s Playboy mansion. Maybe I should just hop over the fence and settle in. :rolleyes:
And the solution to theft? Legalize it. The solution to embezzlement? Legalize it. The solution to assault? Legalize it. The solution to wife beating? legalize it… Man this is great. You’re really on to something here.
This whole post is incredibly reasonable. Which, I’m assuming, is why it was ignored. It’s more fun to come up with outlandish analogies and passionate rhetoric about barely related issues.
I don’t really trust the INS’s take on this, as they have themselves to protect. But small matter. If I was a relative of one of the victims I’d be suing. And I’d be happy if I didn’t get a dime if they got serious about doing their damn jobs.
Hey, what’s the fun in being reasonable? But yes, what the Council is doing with this ordinance is telling the businesses (I doubt it’s applicable exclusively to HD) their choices in dealing with a concentration of day-laborers is either disperse them, or provide them with facilities – it’s a way to prevent the businesses from benefitting from their activity while “plausibly denying” that they know it’s going on.
Now to get less reasonable and more contentious, even in the absence of this statute and under the purely-voluntary model, some people would still object…
IANAL either, but “find something to charge them with” for the purpose of a concerted harassment campaign until they change behavior sounds like an extraordinarily inefficient strategy, at some point your voters will start asking if your County Attorneys should be spending so much in public resources nickel-and-diming hardware stores. Gather the electoral support and have the political will to pass and enforce uniformly a law explicitly forbidding what you want people to stop doing, and charge them with that.
Anyhow, from my experience in legislative processes, I can venture a guess that part of the “selling” of the idea of creating a mandate to provide facilities WAS that it would be a way of creating a disincentive by imposing an expense on beneficiaries. The authorities skew the market so the store makes the ecponomic decision as to whether it has greater expenses or experiences loss of customers by accommodating the day-laborers, vs. keeping them away. Yeah, yeah, not as emotionally satisfying as just cracking down hard, but hard crackdowns are expensive, y’know.
It’s possible that both of my citizenships were acquired illegally. My mother’s family fled to Ontario from New York shortly after the Revolutionary War, and my father’s fled to Massachusetts from Quebec shortly after Confederation. So what?
I will never understand the obsession (especially in the U.S.) with illegal immigration. The U.S. was founded by people no decent European country would have! We’ve built our strength on immigration. Throw the criminals back, and keep the people who want to work and build a better life.
It shouldn’t take thousands of dollars and years of time on the immigrant’s part to tell the difference.
Actually, it’s rather easy. Those who sneak in are the criminal type. Finally, we agree!!!
Oh, fuck off.
It wasn’t illegal when my ancestors (and presumedly yours) came to America. Why should it be now?
Theft, embezzlement, assault, and wife beating are genuine crimes when anyone does them. Looking for a job is apparently only a crime when a Mexican tries to do it.
Why can’t he look for a job in Mexico, where he legally belongs and is entitled to be?
Except having the read the article, it will apply to places like Lowes where there are no day laborers.
This strikes me as too broad a measure since places like Lowes will be forced to build those day laborer centers even though they don’t have them.
What is interesting to me is that I live on the East Coast and I have noticed day laborers at the Home Depots I go to, but I have never seen one at either of the the Lowe’s that I go to. The Home Depot in DC has a ton of day laborers including and I have noticed the numbers increasing since the economy went south.
He can. Why can’t he immigrate to America like my ancestors could?
He’s perfectly free to immigrate to America. My wife did it. There’s a process, which he can start at the closest American embassy.
How much money and how much time did it cost your wife? How much money and how much time would it have cost her were you not sponsoring her as your fiancee or wife, as the case may be? How much time and how much money would it have cost her were she not Canadian?
Well, Frank you seem to have a problem with laws. Why don’t you publish your address so anyone who wishes to can help themselves to your lawn mower, yard gnome, or anything else not chained down outside of your house? Oh, fuck that. Forget those breaking and entering laws, too.
You see, Frank, I’ve got this funny idea about laws. I may not like them, but I abide by them. The ones I don’t like cause me to write to my state and national representatives and senators, and/or work with lobbyists to change them.
Once people start disregarding laws, you’ll have mexicans running across the border into California, Arizona, New Mexico, and…
aw shit
You, too can fuck off.
What the hell does this have to do with anything? “Oh, it was so easy for you to follow the law (FTR, it wasn’t). It’s so much harder for other people to follow the law”. Pure, unadulterated bullshit.
I think it was a somewhat mis-worded appeal to you as a person who having gone through the procedures can appreciate that they are not the most accessible. I don’t think Frank was saying that the complexity and cost justifies breaking the law, but rather partially explains the situation the country is already in with regards to illegal immigration.
Having gone through the legal process myself, but generally undecided about most issues concerning illegal immigration, I want to comment on one thing :
In my experience outside of SD, the majority of people who hold any sort of opinion on the subject are woefully unaware of the legal process of getting into this country. Hell, do you know the sheer number of people who think only citizens pay income taxes and all it takes to get a citizenship is showing up and taking a test? :smack: :smack: :smack:
:rolleyes: Guess you don’t like facts. Too bad.
Because there are laws against it now. You know, those things that make it illegal.
Incorrect. The crime is when a Mexican, or any other non-American, either sneaks into the U.S. or overstays their VISA without doing what is necessary for it to be legal.
I really don’t see what is so hard to understand about this. We have immigration laws. If you break those laws you are a criminal. It’s really that easy.
I don’t know when you’re ancestors came here, but there are laws in place now that say he can’t. Do you think that people of a country have a right to pass laws? Once passed, aren’t it’s citizens bound to obey those laws? If so, why would someone not even a citizen be able to flout those laws?