"I have discovered an elegant proof that bisexuals do not exist. Unfortunately the margins of this message board are too narrow to contain it . . . " :rolleyes:
I don’t have bisexual margins but I do have a minor footer fetish.
Oh come on. Bisexuals are already marginalized as they are.
I don’t really have much to add, and I’m not gay or bi myself, but what others have said make sense. If we completely separate any moral judgment about orientation, it really is just a preference or lack of preference, or insistence or lack of insistence of certain characteristics. In that one could, theoretically, equate being straight or gay to simply absolutely insisting on never dating a redhead or blond or whatever; whereas the varying degrees of bisexuality would potentially only have a preference or not care at all.
So to that end, just as I’ve dated and been more or less happy (by that, I mean the problems we had were not sexually related) in a relationship with a woman that doesn’t have certain characteristics I prefer, I don’t see why someone who has different preferences couldn’t be equally satisfied.
This is a True Scotsman fallacy. What defines a “true” bisexual? Sure, there’s probably some people who identify as bisexual but aren’t because they haven’t figured out exactly what their preferences are but, in light of my above example, it seems to me that to say that one can’t be would be like saying one MUST have a prefered hair color and be unhappy with any other.
Unless that analogy is somehow way off, I’ve dated women with all sorts of different hair colors and as they all took good care of their hair, they all had gorgeous hair and I honestly can’t say I can identify what color I might even have a preference for, much less an insistence.
Frankly, this sort of argument comes off like saying there’s no such thing as a “true” atheist, that they’re all just angry at God and they’re just pretending not to believe because of that. Or for one that I have heard directed at myself, that there’s no such thing as a “true” metal fan, they’re just contrarian, angry, rebelious, or whatever, and they don’t actually think the music is beautiful and moving.
I don’t know how widespread that is, but I’ve experienced this for my ownself. As a bisexual woman I’ve had major difficulties forming platonic bonds with other women that started right about the time in high school I realized I was bi. I got awkward around girls, and that got in the way of forming friendship…I was always awkward around guys anyway, but I got over that. Hopefully it’ll be the same with women
As to monogamy, never had a problem with it, though I tend to gravitate towards relationships that have a degree of openness to them. I think that has more to do with the intensity of my sexuality then its spectrum, though.
That’s not true. I’ve seen evidence that proves bisexuals exist. In fact, there’s entire websites.
i am not sure what i am trying to gain by posting here. perhaps the opinions of people who dont know me, and that i can consider on an intellectual level because i dont know you.
i am currently in a monogamous relationship with a man. in the interest of full disclosure, we have been “together” for just over a year, but for most of that time we have lived in separate countries. while apart, our relationship is semi-open. the terms were that we could have sex with other people provided that we didnt have feelings for them (on a side note, he never did have sex with anyone else, but i did). i have now moved to his country to be with him, but i cant help feeling slightly uncomfortable with the idea that i now can never be with a woman again (assuming we stay together, which is the plan). i think about girls i have loved in the past, and it makes me sad that i cant have that now. my feelings for girls and boys are fairly equally strong, but men and women are very different, so, for me, it is not a question of gender being irrelevant, i love both genders for their unique qualities.
the question at the beginning of this thread asked if a bisexual person could ever be truly satisfied, not if they could remain faithful. these are very different questions.
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thank you EvilTOJ. youre rad
My partner is bisexual (at least), and we’ll be together monogamously for 25 years next month. He says he’d love me just as much if I were a woman, and he doesn’t miss women any more than he misses other men. I have no reason not to believe him.
Interesting, twice a zombie thread. Regarding the OP, the most famous example that comes to mind is Holly Near.
A lot of people are serial monogamists. Being monogamous, serially monogamous or poly and being mono, bi or asexual are different axis.
Some of us already believed you in post 38 pulling your leg because I’ve done it too, responded to a thread and then realized it was a zombie and I’d already given the same response N years before…
I knew a bisexual girl once who insisted that, when in an otherwise monogamous relationship with a guy, that she would still be allowed to hook up with females when it pleased her.
Nice to be reminded that there’s some consistency in my life.
You know, previously I may have thought this to be slightly ignorant. But my partner has recently been having overwhelming sexual urges to be with a man (she identifies as pansexual) and is very much considering acting on them.
This is, more or less, my view on the topic. If you select any portion of the population, you will find an incredible variance in sexual preferences. If you constrain, for instance, just to heterosexuals you have incredible variety from both the visual preferences (blond/brunette/red head) to more behavioral preferences (monogamy, polyamory, S&M, bondage, etc) just within this group. That variety naturally expands if you include the whole spectrum.
Monogamy is a behavioral (largely driven by culture) preference in the same way that something like S&M is. I’ve known both “Monogamous” and “Polyamorous” people in my life. A Poly person tends to not like the monogamous relationship and the Mono person tends to avoid being a part of the Poly relationship (obviously, in the US, the monogamous relationship is more “normal” so it’s easier for Mono people to avoid a Poly relationship than vice versa). And don’t forget, there is the state of “serial monogamy” that is fairly nuanced on it’s own.
In terms of bisexuality, you can be attracted to both genders, but if you are behaviorally preferenced to monogamy, then you will be monogamous to the partner you select, be that partner male or female. If you aren’t preferenced for monogamy, then you will not like that life. Increasing the number of potentially alternate partners by being bisexual (relative to hetero/homosexual) wouldn’t change this preference in the person.
Probably the biggest problem with all of humanity’s sexual variety is that people aren’t really allowed to explore what they want out of their love life and many people marry before they understand themselves in this area. They then find that their needs (emotional and/or physical) aren’t being met. This is what, at least in my opinion, leads to the cheating/wandering that is seen. But it’s not like this is confined to any one group (e.g. bisexuals), it’s for everyone.
My bisexual zombie wife has been monogamous and reports herself to be satisfied through all resurrections of this thread.
Is that going to be the next liberation movement?