Heavens, no! Pornographers are the most purehearted benevolent souls in the whole of creation.
Hey!, the goalpost would look good here… no, wait, how about here!.. no… maybe over there…
Someone beat me to it, still if you you had a shred a integrity you’d cough up a membership for me. Better yet, just send me your credit card info. I promise not to charge my SDMB membership on it (no, really, do your homework!).
I’ll do you a favor, for your future porn browsing needs check out Tumblr or Xhamster. No need for a CC.
Your welcome.
I didn’t move the goal posts. That’s only your perception of it. I explained why this is so earlier. If you fail to grasp the difference, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Curse their double-dealing mumbo-jumbo, telling you plainly like that with all their fancy lawyer talk!
As has been explained before, they didn’t change their prices. Go to the website right now, it still says membership is free.
Here are the terms and conditions for Porn Hub Live (the t&c pointed out above was for regular PornHub). Link broken behind spoiler (no porn on page, but porn in link title):
Section 14 seems the most relevant. Bolding is mine, though not the upper case letters. They did that… you know, to make it super clear to people like **Shakes **that they’re going to eventually charge you at some point.
I’d like to donate the yearly subscription you owe me to **PlainJane **please.
Their main sign-up page says “Join Now! It’s totally FREE! No credit card needed”.
However, that’s not a lie and doesn’t contradict what happened here. It’s totally free to sign up. It is. It’s just if you want to enjoy any of the benefits of watching ladies take their clothes off on camera you’ll end up having to pay.
If you want to debate the actual meaning of the above legalese then that’s fine. But Jane’s exact words were “they actually will”. That’s a big difference between “We reserve the right.” or “we may change”. ** I was never notified of a price increase.** Show me in the terms of service where it actually says that they actually will charge me, and I will happily pay for her subscription.
When I called the guy on the phone and asked why am I being charged, he wouldn’t tell me, and he begrudgingly refunded my money. Why would he do that if he were perfectly with in his rights to keep said money?
Why do you suppose they wanted your credit card number, they were stuck on Sudoku?
Now you are just being silly with your posts. The issue being raised is, is it reasonable to expect a porn site not to charge you if you give then your CC number. Semantic finagling aside, the answer is no.
You asked to be shown in the websites own terms that they could charge you. Bob did that. Man up about it already.
Further, your justification for your beliefs is that big companies surely wouldn’t pull something like that. “I felt safe doing it because porn hub is like one of the biggest sites out there. I wouldn’t think a website that big would do something like that.” You were shown that was wrong as well.
This is just me but when I find myself in a hole… well, you know.
And it’s Jain - not Jane. 
From their website:
Seems pretty straight forward to me…
Where did it say that? Besides, you told us you read all the fine print, but it was pointed out that you obviously didn’t.
Well, if you go to the website and click “Join” it’s right there.
Here’s the thing, if you put something in writing, that’s considered legally binding. It doesn’t matter if it was under the “terms of service” clause. So what we have here are two statements that are totally incongruent. Now, imagine if we were to fight this in a court of law. Which way do you think the court will lean? Temper your answer with the fact that the guy on the phone refunded my money. He did this with out trying to argue why he has the right to charge me, and he also refunded me with out hesitation.
Again, why would he refund me if he thought he had the legal right to keep my money?
It seems to me if they went through the trouble of using all this tricky wording in order to garner extra revenue, at the very least, they would try to argue “Hey! it’s right there in the contract! We’re allowed to charge membership fees whenever we want.”
ETA: And I was aware of the fine print. That’s pretty standard for any business.
Wait, are you saying that scammers lie!?
Seriously, they are counting on people like you to think it seems pretty straightforward.
Your porn site is owned by naiaddev.com, based in Seattle. They don’t seem to have a good reputation when it comes to customer relations, but they do seem to be virus-free. Statshow says
No, what I’m saying is what they put in writing is legally binding.
And counting on people like me who got a full refund? :dubious: Please, do tell me how “people like me” drives their business model. It doesn’t sound too profitable to me.
I strongly suspect that you used a service that you assumed was free but in fact was paying. This being made deliberatly unclear by the website
For instance, since we’re talking about cam girls, you could have assumed that only watching the girls’show was a paying service, while in fact merely looking up their profile, or watching some sample video was a paying service, this being mentioned in fine print when you acceded the profiles/samples/whatever.
No need to mention that this is purely a guess and not in any way related to any kind of similar experience I could have had in the past. 
Now all he has to do is give the SD his credit card number. What’s the worst that can happen!
Ok, it’s looking like Shakes is just full of shit at this point and trying madly to save some face in this thread, which he probably wishes he could take back.
I’m on the join page right now and there’s nothing even close to what he quoted posted there. It’s asking for a username and email address, at which point they’ll send me a password.
In the name of science, I went ahead and gave them a username and throwaway email address to move on to the next step. Want to play along? Links are all to imgur pages where I’ve posted screencaps. I’ve blocked out my personal information as well as any pictures that you might not want popping up at work.
After I gave the site my username and email address,it took me to this page where it gives me the steps on validating my email address. No mention of credit cards whatsoever.
Here is the email they sent me with my password. Once again, seems are pretty straightforward and no mention of needing a credit card.
Ok, so I’m sure once I enter in the password they gave me I’ll end up on a screen that Shakes is talking about, where they promise to never ever charge my credit card, scout’s honor.
Oh wait, this isthe next page once I enter my password. They are in fact asking me for my credit card. Those bastards! I bet that fine print is on this page telling me not to worry, that they’ll never charge me.
Oh wait, nope. In fact, just the opposite in fact. It asks me straight up to fund my account w/ my credit card in order to chat privately with their models, along with some other perks for paid members. The only fine print I can find on this page is where it tells me that charges will appear as STREAMRAY . COM.
Since I don’t want this porno site to have my credit card number, because THEY WILL CHARGE ME, I closed out of this screen without giving them any info. I’ve now signed up for a free account but didn’t give them a credit card and wasn’t required to do so at any step (unless I wanted to get into the good stuff on their site).
Shakes, please show me on these screencaps where the text you quoted is to be found. Maybe I’m just missing it.
ETA: When you enter your emailed password on the page shown on the first screencap there, you’re telling them that you read the Terms and Conditions, which include lots of info on how they’re going to eventually charge your credit card. Given that you didn’t even read the T&C, how can you be pissed off at them at this point.
And of course they gave you a refund. It’s $20 and it’s easier to refund that sort of thing than turn it into a big fight. It’s the same way at McDonald’s.
You’re missing it. Go to Porn hub live> click the yellow “join free” button at the top.
It’s right there under the big bold letters that say “Create your FREE account now”
As to the rest of your post, I’m not going to rehash this whole argument all over again Bob. At this point were just talking right past each other.