Humph :mad:
Granted, the joke does pretty much write itself… 
An interesting tidbit that had been in this NYT story, but isn’t anymore:
Not sure what the deal on that is, because these cases are presumably in the public record.
I’m not surprised that Moore would deny the allegations - I think anyone would. What’s shocked me from yesterday was his surrogates’ attempts to justify the situation. It’d be like responding to charges of cannibalism with, “Look, if you just know how to cook it right…”
Except that “anyone” wouldn’t have done what he is alleged to have done. Not to get all argumentative about that, but my response was based on this thinking: I’m anyone. Would I have denied it? I would never have done it in the first place, so if I denied it, I’D BE RIGHT! But I don’t think that’s what you meant.
The joke’s on them because Moore’s supporters can’t write.
Yep. Stick a fork in him.
Watch out. The juices might run green.
Meaning “anyone in his place”, who I would expect to defend themselves whether they’d done it or not. The A/B of is this is that he’s either a molester or not a molester. In neither of those situations would I be surprised at a denial. Though I suppose we have the Spacey example to look at now.
I’m reasonably certain Roy Moore isn’t going to use Spacey’s “I (probably) did it because I’m gay” defense.
I wonder if there’s anyone who is saying that and would actually be cool with a guy taking their 14yr old daughter to his house to paw at her for a while because, you know, Jesus.
I’m not in any way condoning what Roy Moore did in 1979. And I’m against Roy Moore becoming a Senator from Alabama, for a variety of reasons.
BUT…
In Alabama, what he did with the one girl appears to be a misdemeanor offense only (sexual contact with a female from 12 to 16). It MAY be that he committed the felony of luring the girl to his home to have sexual contact; I’m not familiar with the law. IF all he did was commit a misdemeanor offense, I’m thinking that Democrats howling for him to not be elected might want to re-think that moral outrage.
I don’t think the “moral outrage” really has anything to do with whether it’s a felony or a misdemeanor.
I’d be surprised if, this many years on, there would be any chance of a legal prosecution. Don’t most crimes (barring murder) have a statute of limitations?
Nonetheless, the idea of a 32-year-old man having “sexual activity” with a 14-year-old girl is pretty creepy to most people, although I can’t speak for what they might be fine with in Alabama (and I *wish *that was merely a Southern stereotype joke).
We could use an Alabama lawyer to check in, but I heard on the news this morning that there is no statute of limitations for rape/sexual assault in Alabama. Whatever, he has surely lost some votes over this matter. If it’s enough to elect a Democrat, we’ll see.
How is it possible to hate the Democratic candidate (and Party) so much that you’d vote Moore even if you believed this story to be true? What do these people think the Democratic party is, some sort of evil treasonous murder gang? (I guess that’s a rhetorical question, but I really don’t get it. We’re not that bad folks, don’t let a few policy differences keep you from seeing our humanity…)
Maybe, sadly, it’s race.
One of the women involved was 18 and a legal adult. I don’t find that creepy or immoral, personally.
A second was 17: I find that ill advised, but it was legal in Alabama, took place with the consent of the girl as well as her mother, and never progressed beyond kissing according to the girl’s account.
I don’t want a Republican controlled Senate, I think Moore’s conduct with the 14 year old was seriously wrong, and I don’t much care for Sean Hannity in general, but I am also deeply uncomfortable with people conflating a serious crime with a couple of relationships that were neither immoral nor illegal. Even if it’s done in a good cause.
There are quite a few countries in the recent past and today in which honor killings (murder of ones wife if she has an affair) is either legal, a defense to murder, subject to minor punishment, or just isn’t prosecuted.
Do you believe if a political leader from one of those countries killed his wife, that Americans should not condemn the person, given that there is no serious punishment for his acts?
Liberal hypocrisy!
(Nobody has said it yet, and the suspense was killing me…)
I sort of agree. The grooming and attack on a 14-year-old is categorically different from an older married dude skeeving on teenagers who are legally able to consent.
However, you’re already seeing the people who are attacking the 14-year-old (well, now 50-something, but you know what I mean) as a liar. Establishing that this fucker had a pattern of pursuing teenagers is one piece of bolstering her claim.
Then there’s the issue of hypocrisy. While I’m more of an issues voter than a character voter, Moore has really made a career of being a character activist. Nobody can claim at this point to vote for him because they care about sexual ethics, unless their sexual ethics condones a 30-something man cheating on his wife with teenagers.
I mean, not really. I suspect that the population of men who would date an 18 year old is very different from the population who would pursue a 14 year old. 18 and 14 are very different ages both physically and psychologically, and then there’s the issue of legality as well. (Lots of people would avoid doing something purely because it’s illegal).
I’m not saying he didn’t assault the 14 year old, incidentaly. Just that the fact he dated an 18 year old isn’t evidence of it.
As for hypocrisy, wasn’t Moore unmarried at the time?