Can the Democrats win the Alabama senate special election in December?

[Elendil_s_Heir]

“I have always been a friend of states’ rights, and a foe of states’ wrongs.” - Benjamin Butler

[The_Other_Waldo_Pepper]

Can the Democrats win the Alabama senate special election in December?

It’s possible.

[Snowboarder_Bo]

Seriously.

Moore sent a fundraising email to supporters asking for contributions to his “election integrity fund’ so he could investigate reports of voter fraud.

“I also wanted to let you know that this battle is NOT OVER!” he wrote.

Moore told supporters that the race was “close” and some military and provisional ballots had yet to be counted. Those are expected to be counted next week.

Moore said his campaign is collecting “numerous reported cases of voter fraud” to send to the secretary of state’s office.

There better be a lot of 'em, because so far their error rate is 100%.

[Secretary of State John] Merrill said his office has investigated reports of voting irregularities, but “we have not discovered any that have been proven factual in nature.”

“Roy Moore: he doesn’t know the law, he doesn’t know how to ride a horse, and he doesn’t know when he’s lost.”

[JRDelirious]

But he knows when to hit people for money (most of whom are not likely to be wealthy).

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

@JRDelirious

But he knows when to hit people for money (most of whom are not likely to be wealthy).

Hey, somebody’s gotta buy hay for Sassy.

[bobot]

Does it even matter if he concedes? I mean, yeah, it’s the honorable thing to do, but nothing is contingent on that, right?

[Lord_Feldon]

@bobot

Does it even matter if he concedes? I mean, yeah, it’s the honorable thing to do, but nothing is contingent on that, right?

Nope. Concessions are legally meaningless. Someone who concedes can ultimately win and someone who doesn’t concede can still lose.

[John_Mace]

I saw this on CNN this morning and thought I would share. I laughed.

This is your state on Bannon.

[Snowboarder_Bo]

Roy Moore doubles down; files lawsuit to block Alabama Senate result.

Moore asked a judge late Wednesday to issue a restraining order to stop the state’s canvassing board from certifying Doug Jones’ victory on Thursday. But Secretary of State John Merrill told The Associated Press that Moore’s action “is not going to delay certification and Doug Jones … will be sworn in by Vice President Pence on the third of January.”

A spokesman for Jones called Moore’s action a “desperate attempt … to subvert the will of the people,” and said it “will not succeed.”

“The election is over. It’s time to move on,” Sam Coleman wrote in an email.

Not so, says Roy Moore:

Moore’s attorney wrote in the wide-ranging complaint that he believed there were irregularities during the election, including that voters may have been brought in from other states. He attached a statement from a poll worker that she had noticed licenses from Georgia and North Carolina as people signed in to vote.

The complaint also noted the higher-than-expected turnout in the race, particularly in Jefferson County, and said that Moore’s numbers were lower than straight-ticket Republican voting in about 20 Jefferson County precincts. The complaint asks for a fraud investigation and eventually a new election.

“This is not a Republican or Democrat issue as election integrity should matter to everyone,” Moore said in a statement released Wednesday announcing the complaint.

Someone is just giving the concept lip service, tho, because the Secretary of State (a Republican) says

Merrill said he has so far not found any evidence of voter fraud, but he has said that his office will investigate any complaint Moore submits.

Did Moore even submit a complaint, or did he move right to Step n, “File A Lawsuit”?

[Chronos]

Ah, so the argument is “Alabamans always vote for The Party, therefore any votes not for The Party must be fraudulent!”.

Lots of luck with that one, Roy.

[DrDeth]

@Chronos

Ah, so the argument is “Alabamans always vote for The Party, therefore any votes not for The Party must be fraudulent!”.

Lots of luck with that one, Roy.

and also : "A lot of damn uppity niggers voted, and we cant have that. "

[JohnT]

It could also be…

“Holy shit, I don’t have a pension OR a job! If I don’t do this Senate thing, I will be broke!”

[Snowboarder_Bo]

It could also be… rejected!

ETA: So to answer the OP: yes.

[jayjay]

@DrDeth

and also : "A lot of damn uppity niggers voted, and we cant have that. "

This. But another one of the arguments Moore is using is that mostly-white suburban areas didn’t go as Republican as they normally do. The argument is that the white vote is basically Moore’s, and if they didn’t vote for him there must be something hinky going on. So he’s not only racist against African-Americans, he’s racist against whites who don’t vote for their natural party, as well.

[DrDeth]

It also shows why a Polygraph test is so bogus. Moore passed his:

Moore says he took polygraph after election to confirm accusations were false

How did Moore pass?

**First of all, I am certain that his accusers are not lying, they honestly beleive that is what occured. **

But in descending order: (more than one is possible)
Moore had a “freindly test” and the results of any polygraph test is open to interpretation.
Moore was coached on how to beat the test.
Moore, being a Politician, lies easily and without guilt.
Moore is a sociopath.
Moore honestly remembers the incidents differently that his accusers do. Memory is a strange thing, and open to change.

[Steve_MB]

In addition to the polygraph test (what, no tea leaves or goat entrails?) about the pedophilia accusations (which is relevant to the integrity of the election how, exactly?), his complaint includes as supporting “evidence” (scroll down to “Document 2”) a Breitbart article, complete with several pages from the comment section. :smack: :eek:

[JRDelirious]

As I wrote in another thread:

And here we see the truly pernicious, malevolent intent among some in that side of the contest: to plant the seed in their base that somehow it must be near impossible to have a contrary result, and thus to delegitimize the whole elections procedure. Even when it is the procedure enacted and managed by sympathetic legislatures and officials.

It is a well established rule in most states that if the vote difference is larger than the expected margin of error of the vote tallying process, the result is to be presumed valid and final and any dispute must be supported by evidence, not by “it cannot be!” Otherwise no election would ever be final.

You can imagine some of the same people come 2020 or 2024 arguing that statistically the reported count is near impossible and the Electors must ignore the certified popular tally and go with the “right” result.

So Moore’s not seated but he leaves behind a door open for the claim that it should be impossible for the other side to win a fair contest.

[GrandWino]

@DrDeth

It also shows why a Polygraph test is so bogus. Moore passed his:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/366650-moore-says-he-took-polygraph-test-after-election-to-confirm-accusations

How did Moore pass?

**First of all, I am certain that his accusers are not lying, they honestly beleive that is what occured. **

But in descending order: (more than one is possible)
Moore had a “freindly test” and the results of any polygraph test is open to interpretation.
Moore was coached on how to beat the test.
Moore, being a Politician, lies easily and without guilt.
Moore is a sociopath.
Moore honestly remembers the incidents differently that his accusers do. Memory is a strange thing, and open to change.

Seeing as Moore hasn’t actually released any actual polygraph information (such as a list of questions he answered) all we really have is a liar’s word that he took a liar test that proved he’s not a liar.

[AlsoNamedBort]

Also, if he wanted to prove anything, why wait until AFTER the election?

[Rick_Kitchen]

I saw a very pertinent comment on this topic that somebody made. “Sexual predators don’t take no for an answer.”