I cannot speak for Ann but I’d say the discourse was coarsened long ago by Trump supporters and, indeed, Trump himself. It strikes me that complaining about liberals doing it is disingenuous.
How is it you are ok with the pussy grabber-in-chief who has made lewd comments about his own daughter and then get your jimmies in a rustle when someone calls Ivanka a cunt?
Please link to your show of outrage at Trump’s treatment of Hillary Clinton.
Then read this, this guy writes better than I do but he reflects my sentiments exactly.
And I actually don’t agree with people that refuse service to Trump Administration members on principle. And I say this as one of the few people ( if not the only one ) on this board that has actually been faced with that decision IRL.
And this one’s for you, specially
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21048949&postcount=389
I’m guessing No.
Because both sides say ‘I will do it one more time, and then we both have to stop’.
Regards,
Shodan
Actually, no one here is saying that.
Nice try-No kewpie doll.
Sorry but the party of “Fuck Your Feelings”, “Life’s a Bitch, Don’t Vote for One”, “Trump that Bitch”, “Trump vs. Tramp”, 'I wish Hillary had married OJ", “She’s a Cunt, Vote for Trump”, “Hillary couldn’t satisfy her husband, can’t satisfy us” don’t get to lecture anyone about civility or throw out both sides bullshit. These crocodile tears are wholly unpersuasive. If you can’t take it, stop dishing it out.
(Those are all tshirts worn by Trump supporters at his campaign rallies, and they were all proud to be photographed wearing them).
https://www.thecut.com/2016/10/the-most-misogynistic-things-people-wore-to-trump-rallies.html
It is more that there are 300+ million people in this country, and until trump becomes a dictator, there really is no one to tell them what they can and cannot say.
So, if all the democrats agree to never again say anything bad about a republican, then all it takes is one college student somewhere who didn’t get the memo, and that is justification for all out war.
And to be fair, I don’t know that the democrats will hold to a cease fire together. The first time that someone speaks out publicly about what a bigot they are, it is going to be hard for all democrats to stay silent.
There have always been disagreements and arguments, even rather inflammatory invective. The difference that I see is that, rather than having differing goals and having to work together to accomplish our mutual goals and compromise on ones that are different, that one of the primary goals of the conservative party is in fact to cause harm to others, and that is something that democrats are not wanting to compromise on.
Bingo. Dems are punching up, Republicans are punching down.
You just need a nice big war that gets everyone to rally round the flag, with conscription and a few million dead.
Once it’s over, people will slowly drift back to partisan bickering but then you just have another war.
I think the only way to stop the cycle of retaliation is to mandate that businesses that serve the public can’t discriminate on the basis of political belief. I think it’s already illegal to discriminate on religious beliefs. A restaurant can’t put a NO MUSLIMS sign outside their door, but they can put NO REPUBLICANS. But if religious beliefs are a protected category, why not political beliefs?
The right wing used armed resistance to prevent Cliven Bundy from grazing his cattle on public land and one of their members proposed using women as human shields. They also occupied federal land in Oregon and blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City. Anne Coulter and other conservative talking heads regularly call Democrats traitors. The left has ruined the dinners of two people. I don’t really think the retribution cycle is as evenly distributed as the ill-informed viewers of Fox News would believe.
This is like asking: “How can we stop athletes from protesting police violence without preventing police violence?”
A reaction to something bad that happened can be prevented by stopping the bad thing.
*The right wing used armed resistance to prevent federal agents from stopping Cliven Bundy from grazing his cattle on public land
The left did more than ruin Steve Scalise’s dinner.
The problem with “drawing the line” is that there are multiple lines to be drawn. One is between civil and uncivil discourse. Another is between what’s acceptable for you, me, Samantha Bee and various T-shirt wearing idiots and what’s unacceptable for candidates for and holders of elective office. A third is between mere speech and tacit or overt exhortations to violence. One thing, however is clear: However many lines you draw and where you draw them, Donald trump has been on the wrong side of ALL of them.
“The left”?
Yeah, there was an individual guy that did something stupid and reprehensible, and has been thoroughly condemned by those on the left for his actions.
I did not see the same sort of condemnation, in fact, quite the opposite, over armed thugs threatening federal agents, appropriating government land and property, and completely ignoring the law.
False equivalence, once again.
Yeah, that’s apparently the game we’re playing now: make broad sweeping pronouncements and slander an entire half of the political spectrum based on the actions of a few nutjobs. Did you notice the post I was responding to? It starts out “The right wing …”.
All you need to do is get Congress to amend the Civil Rights Act or the Constitution. Until then, the answer is: it’s not against the law and it’s not against the Constitution.
Are you claiming that there was as much support on the left for the shooter’s actions as there was on the right for the bundy’s actions?
He also mentioned Anne Coulter. Are you denying that she is on the right, or are you disavowing her words? Are you trying to claim that she is not well regarded on the right? are you trying to claim an equivalent amount of support for anne coulter calling her political opponents traitors (and demons) as on the left for Scalise’s shooter?
When we talk about the right, we are talking about people with strong media followings and elected representatives (including the president). When you talk about the left, you are talking about individuals who have little power or influence over even their own lives, much less influence over others.
Dude, this entire thread is about various rank-and-file Americans who subscribe to one political ideology treating the other side like crap. You are off on some half-cocked argument about “My side ain’t so bad; but if it is, it is your fault.” You know, the sort of thing you’d expect to hear from the party of personal responsibility.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. No one with “strong media followings” and no “elected representatives” blew up the OKC federal building or pointed guns at federal agents or took over a federal building. The left too, has it’s share of nut jobs that do things like try to assassinate Republicans or cops.
A step down from manifestly-violent acts are rough discourse, and here again, there are people on both the right and the left that engage in calling the other side “traitors” and “cunts” and other harsh things. Some of those are popular TV personalities with strong followings and some are nobodies on the internet.
There are also examples, again on both the right and the left, of elected representatives saying pretty stupid things. Have you heard what’s been dribbling out of Maxine Waters’ mouth lately?