Because he’s a Mexican kid from Juarez. If it makes you feel any better, we treat black kids from poor crime ridden neighborhoods the same way here. Who you going to believe, cop (that shot a kid) or black people? Same thing here, who you are you going to believe, a cop (that shot a Mexican kid) or Mexicans?
Q: If nothing good happens in the ditch, then WTF are you doing in the ditch?
A: You endorse or contribute to the problem that makes nothing good happen in the ditch.
You are who you roll with…aka the “Duck Test”.
It really explains how long and extensive that Mexico is deeply mired in socio-economic issues that are self-inflicted. Rather than solving those issues internally, it’s easier to play the passive-aggressive victim role and blame everyone else for their own problems. Mexico has the resources and people to become a great nation, but they always seem to shoot themselves in the foot with large scale corruption, state sponsored oligopolies, and the inability/apathy to solve their own issues.
Hold the tin can, friend. I never justified the officer shooting the kid. Asshole or not, he didn’t DESERVE to die, but sometimes in the non-academic, real world, bad shit happens and people get killed. If this A student was in a library or school or just about anywhere else in Juarez, he could continue on with his life, unabated, probably.
He wasn’t, he won’t, and as tragic as it is, we need to be dealing with the actual problem, as opposed to a symptom of it.
Yes, we’re all a bunch of racists, murderers and cop-wankers. :rolleyes: Next.
- Yes
- Because they’re across the fucking BORDER. It is NOT our Country.
- It isn’t, but again, the problem is an international one. Further, the US and Mexican authorities commingle all the time. With proper agreements and authority, that cooperation happens, without it, it is, technically, an act of war that neither side wants.
I suppose it depends on what, precisely, that 15 year old kid was doing.
Personally, I’m just as likely to cross the street to avoid a large group of anyone. Stupid people in large groups are dangerous and by-and-large, people in large groups are stupid.
However, the concept of the justification for a person crossing the street to avoid the aforementioned group is one that is ingrained in the prominent display of the culture that is typically emulated by the members of that group.
Many forms of media portray young black males as drug dealers, murderers and thugs. Sadly, this is an image that many decide to cultivate, unfortunately in far too many cases, to its’ natural conclusion. Further, in certain segments of that culture being upright and successful is seen as assimilation into the “white” culture.
So doing something that is passive, like crossing the street, may be as much about fear of a culture that is poorly represented and managed, as it is about racism. On the other hand, overt racism is alive and well, but it tends to be more aggressive amongst the slime that are so-inclined.
My mistake, I mistook apathy towards the death of a 15 year old mexican standing in Mexico by a CBP officer as some sort of "he got what he deserved’ sentiment.
Sometimes it is the symptoms that tells us that we might not be prescribing the correct treatment.
Do you want a cite for cops killing unarmed black teens from poor neighborhoods, I might be able to dig one up?
If we are accusing the mexican army of invading the USA (noone has said why), then why can’t we do the same thing to take out the Juarez gansters?
Yeah, so technically isn’t the Mexican army’s incursions into the USA (if true) acts of war… technically?
people seem to have jumped to the conclusion that the kid was throwing rocks at the officer because, well… the officer said so.
I thought drawing your pistol was supposed to be a last resort for police officers? Was he really in that much danger from a 15 yr old armed to the teeth with… a rock, that his only option to protect himself was to shoot the lad?
Because, in my opinion, it is wrong to invade a sovereign country without it being a truly necessary action for military defense. This is true whether the invaders are a U.S. Military unit on a mission of counter-terrorism and justice, or a bunch of fuckheaded Mexican drug runners.
Incidentally, if the Mexican police catch any of these US guys smuggling US guns into Mexico that I hear so many accusations about, I hope the USians get shot by Mexican police. Because I don’t want those assholes back.
I would argue that they are either fucking bonehead mistakes or technically acts of war. The more stupidly belligerent Mexico gets with regard to us, the more apt I am to treat them as the latter–and Mexico has been getting REALLY stupidly belligerent lately.
I do not automatically distrust police officers. I do not automatically trust the good motives of repeat-offender smugglers.
He’s not a police officer, he’s a border patrol officer. Substantially different in the levels of force I’ll accept from him.
It’s not as if he is patrolling the border of Pakistan and Kashmir though. Surely he had the experience to tell the difference between a dangerous drug dealer/people smuggler, and a 15 yr old armed with a rock?
You are not a young black man from a poor neighborhood and the repeat smuggling is an allegation made by the guys that shot the kid.
I gather you will accept more force from a border patrol cop protecting the border from people running back into Mexico than a cop that is dealing with real criminals,.
I’ve shared more than once on these boards that I think the thing that would benefit Mexico most in the long run is for us to close the border and deport everyone. As it is, they lose a good portion of the best that they have. Seal the country and let it come to a boil and the people will end up with a much less corrupt country. A country that actually works.
Just a thought…
Yes, yes I would. Because a border patrol agent is in a different legal situation, with different legal constraints.
And frankly, I think we should treat border violators as participating in an act of war. I do not care why they are doing it, I want more of them here legally, but the border jumping needs to goddamn stop.
Yes and considering that the federal government treats goddam border jumping as a goddam misdemeanor (imprisonment for less than one year), I think you probably need more than what the BP officer was confronted with (or more accurately NOT confronted with) to use deadly force. Heck I don’t know if you can justify pulling a gun on kids that are running BACK INTO MEXICO.
I think we have every right to keep people out but its a bit melodramatic to call illegal immigration an act of war, isn’t it?
Sometimes that force continuum changes based on how a person (officer) feels about the situation. If you’re standing there with a rock, I might draw a tazer, if you’re standing there with a rock and a bunch of friends, where things have the potential to turn shitty fast, I might draw my weapon to bring the advantage back to my side. That said, in an armchair analysis of the video, tactically, it seems that advantage is what the officer had meant to regain by drawing his weapon. What we don’t know is what happened on the ground and if this was an attempt on the part of the officer to cover up what was either an accident, an intended shooting, or a threat we we have not yet been told about. Like most things, I’m going to wait for the investigation to be completed.
Nope. I know it happens. Once again though, in the real, non-academic world, bad shit happens and people get killed. No rational person accepts it as ‘OK’ but reality has to set in at some point. Society has laws, rules and directions, when you set your life’s course against those things (or hang with people who do) you’re bound to run into a situation where you’re in danger from either side. And no, it’s not guilt by association, it’s volunteering to be collateral damage.
No one really means we’re being ‘invaded’ per se, but what IS happening is random units of the Mexican Gov’t are wandering over the border. It’s not right and shouldn’t happen, but it does. We don’t do the same thing because it’s not right and shouldn’t happen.
All this brings two points to my mind.
First, for everyone crying that “he’s just 15”!! Do me a favor and google “15 year old murderers”. Just because they’re not 18 doesn’t mean they’re perfect little angels. Hell, kids much younger than 15 have done plenty of horrendous things to other people, see this little jewel. Yeah, it’s a 40 year old article, but do you really think kids have gotten better since then? After a certain point, age is irrelevant. There’s still a bit of a debate about how old “right from wrong” sets in in children, but it sure as hell happens a while before 15. (Before you go apeshit, I’m NOT saying the kids in the article should be shot too; I’m merely using them to illustrate that age does not equal innocence.)
Second, if you can wrap your mind around the fact that a 15 year old boy can indeed determine right from wrong - namely, wrong side of town, wrong people to hang out with, wrong people to fuck with - please tell me why he was willfully choosing to do the wrong thing? I understand it’s a shithole city, but did his parents EVER explain to him that the border is where the shit goes down, and people aren’t usually ready? This “child” has been alive for less time than we’ve been having this border issue…surely he must have had some inkling that what he was doing was probably not the best idea? Didn’t his mother ever ask him to please not go to that side of town? Did his father ever spank his ass for hanging out with the wrong crowd? I refuse to believe that Americans have a monopoly on “good parenting” and “common sense”. I’m not blaming the parents…I’m just wondering where in the hell this kid got his values from.
And yes, if I were 15, fucking around a hotly contested border where armed patrols and Texans (yikes!) were gunslangin, straight-A student or repeat smuggling offender, I would completely expect to be fucked with in return. He had no legitimate business where he was, he was acting irresponsibly in a political arena, most likely against all the advice he was ever given by any reasonable adult, and he got popped. We’re not talking about a kid walking home from school, and yet this is miles away from sneaking a cig with your friends out in the woods; we’re talking about a kid who PUT HIMSELF in the VERY wrong place, and got what he deserved.
The most tragic thing? Do you think any of his amigos will learn the lesson to stay the hell away from the border unless you have a damn good (read: LEGAL) reason to be there? Probably not. They’ll be over here within 5 years. Yeah yeah yeah, fuck Americans, but looooooooooooove the dollar. I think for me, that’s what pisses me off the most. I’m all for immigration - I’m only 4th gen myself - but none of my forebears came here because their love of the dollar was greater than their hate of their homeland. None of them came here to take resources away from this country. None of them refused to learn English. They filled out their paperwork, learned the language, got legal jobs, and contributed to society. America is not a fucking paycheck, people.
(For further reference: I’m currently planning a move to England. Language is obviously not an issue, but am I going to try to get in under a tourist visa, and then not leave once my 6 months are up? Am I going to live in some shitty basement with 14 other people, scrounging around for cash jobs until I’m lucky enough to get knocked up and therefore be allowed to stay in the country? No. I have more respect for the country than that…respect for the country I’m looking to be a part of, and respect for the country I came from.)
Flame away. 
I hope someday if you have children one will get fucked up real good by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Because they will only be getting what they deserve.
I’m hoping my children will know better than to:
[ul][li]Illegally enter another country intentionally.[/li][li]Attack that other country’s law enforcement personnel.[/li][li]Prey on his own people by profiting from their desire to enter another country illegally or smuggle stuff into any country.[/ul][/li]
And, as much as I dislike your extremely bigoted and, yes, racist views as you’ve posted them on this site over the years, I still don’t hope for anything bad to happen to your children.
None of which the boy was doing.
And calling me a racist is laughable. Especially coming from you and the others that make this claim.
Why ? Because only whites can be racists ?
I agree in principle but what about the people attacking US officers in the US from Mexico? Where were the Mexican authorities that should have stopped them and arrested them? What were they supposed to do with the illegals they had stopped as they retreated? Let them continue into the US?
What if it wasn’t rocks? If someone fires a weapon from Mexico into the US are officers allowed to fire back?
If you watch the video, and as I have already posted, you will see that the ones trying to enter the US were all trying to return to México, they were no longer attempting to enter the USA. The BP could easily have let the one he subdued continue on into México. Isn’t it his job to prohibit people from crossing the border illegally? If they were all returning to our side of the border what exactly was the point in apprehending the guy in the first place? He will have to processed etc and that takes resources away from the BP to watch the border.
The BP agent could have simply retreated up the side of the American side out of range of any rock thrower and made sure no one was going to cross through that hole in the fence. But that would take intelligence and the BP in this case appears to have little.
And of course any law enforcement official on either side of the border that is being fired upon has the right to shoot back. That doesn’t necessarily mean it is the best solution to the problem but it would be justified.