I agree. These stories are getting past the point of believability. There’s no way any man could get away with behavior like this. She’s claiming he just walks in, whips out his dick and shoves her face into it? Backstage at the Carson show with at least a hundred people near by? Yeah, that must of happened every time Cosby got a boner. :rolleyes:
The press is beginning to rethink a few of these Cosby allegations.
It was the trauma of being abused by Cosby that set her on that downward spiral into a life of crime …
Twomore women have come forward.
I’m sure it’s easiest for the apologists to focus on the more outlandish and unusual claims, but many of them (Carla Ferrigno’s in particular) can’t be dismissed as easily.
I didn’t watch much of his show, and certainly didn’t see this episode (if that’s the reference here), but, DS, your post reminded me of one of his comedy routines on an album (LP record) our family had in the 60s/70s when we were kids - where one of their kids was being unruly, and then the punch line is where one of the parents says to the child (something like, IIRC): “I brought you into this world, and I can take you out of it.”
It was funny then, our parents sure laughed at it, and as young kids we thought, hey, it must be funny if Mom and Dad laughs at it. But it wasn’t funny 2 months ago when I heard it again.
To me it doesn’t matter if there were any. And I don’t think there are.
If 200,000 women say he’s never acted inappropriately, and 15 women claimed he raped them, then if those 15 women turned out to have factual claims would it make a difference? It just means he selected certain women to victimize.
Realize there are important IFs in my above.
The accusers haven’t been proven right, but to me and in this case, it’s highly likely Cosby assaulted at least one of the accusers.
I’m actually thinking of coming forward myself, and just wait until you hear my story. (Still needs a bit of work …)
Excuse me?
I don’t really care if it is 2014, the 1970s or the stone age. A decent guy knows full well if a woman wishes to sleep with him or not and if there is any confusion he should take steps to make sure, like, I dunno, ask her or something. :rolleyes: While I agree that the law saw it differently in the past, forcing yourself upon a woman is not okay and it never was in the past either. Nor has there has ever been any great general confusion about which was which.
What would that prove? That he failed to rape every woman he met?
Actually Carla Ferrigno is the first of the allegations that caused me to :rolleyes:
“Thirty years ago he tried to kiss me!” This is evidence that he raped someone - I don’t think.
Maybe the rest are all telling the truth, but I can’t conclude that from what Mrs. Hulk says.
Regards,
Shodan
We can’t conclude anything for certain, but I feel the opposite way – if Cosby really is a drugger/rapist/general scumbag, I’d expect there to be many more ‘aborted rapes’ of this sort on top of the ones that succeeded. I think it fits with the general pattern, plus it’s much much harder to accuse a woman in a decades-long stable, successful, and financially secure marriage of attention-whoring or gold-digging (not that anyone deserves such an accusation, necessarily, based on stability/marriage/finances).
How convenient to label everyone who believes in “innocent until proven guilty” as apologists. Then again, I’d rather be branded as an apologist than stand there ignorantly holding a pitchfork any day.
“Innocent until proven guilty” is a presumption of criminal law. It’s not an imperative to stick your head in the stand outside of a courtroom.
That’s what Bill Sr. told Bill Jr. & Russell.
This precisely why I tend not to follow these cases all that closely. I will inevitably make a judgement based on whatever info is filtered through the [quite flawed] media. It never feels good to me.
The whole thing just makes me queasy. Either he’s guilty which is bad or he’s not which means he’s been railroaded and his image has been tarnished irreperably.
No good comes of this. (I’m not referring to the thread)
There’s an interesting thing about “innocent until proven guilty” and courtrooms: usually the courtroom is the venue where actual evidence on a case is presented. Also, refusing to jump on a band-wagon based on media reports isn’t sticking one’s head in the sand.
By the way, yes, I am an apologist. I’m not an apologist for Cosby nor for anyone else accused of a crime. I’m an apologist for the idea you’re casually dismissing.
It would help to provide some sort of character witnesses in the court of public opinion. Even Charles Manson has found someone to say he’s not really that bad a guy, really.
I’m not sure if Cosby’s lawyers have asked everyone who knows him to STFU or what, but it is weird that a pro-Cos camp hasn’t made a peep. (Or if they have, I missed it, which is also possible.)
The only person I know who has met the man personally says he’s an arrogant asshole who’s rude to waiters. That was a guy (the waiter in question), and there’s a long road between being rude to waiters and drugging and raping people. But I will admit it took me from “Cosby? Dr. Huxtable? No WAY!” to “Eh, could be, I guess…” Because it’s easier to believe that bad people do bad things.
To date, Stacy Dash and Raven Simone have courageously decided to piss into the wind and defend him.
Whoopi Goldberg has also expressed her doubts.