that’s actually the point one of his victims made in a Washington Post OP-ed:
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[Only after a man, Hannibal Buress, called Bill Cosby a rapist in a comedy act last month did the public outcry begin in earnest. The original video of Buress’s performance went viral. This week, Twitter turned against him, too, with a meme that emblazoned rape scenarios across pictures of his face./QUOTE]
I see. I only know him from the Huxtable family thing.
The other issue with reporting the crime is that, at least from the woman who’ve told their stories, it sounds like in most cases they were either unconscious or intoxicated from whatever drug they were given, and so not certain what exactly had happened themselves.
Coming forward when a story is going to be “he said/she said” is hard enough, but when the only actual witness to what happened is Cosby himself, its going to feel pretty hopeless trying to get a conviction.
The people around him during his career would have to know “something”. If he was a womanizer addicted to sex then it wasn’t a secret. And if he was then it wouldn’t have been difficult to find willing women in his youth.
If it’s true that he drugged women all his life then one of America’s beloved TV icons is a psychopath.
And when someone has been in such a mental state, it can be very easy to misremember things or imagine an incident that didn’t happen, or that happened significantly differently. E.g. maybe Cosby tried to kiss them while they were drunk, then they passed out and dreamed about a sexual encounter. Then, the next morning, they tried to piece it all together and got it wrong. I’m not saying that is what happened, but it’s a possibility. And that’s why these sort of prosecutions are iffy.
Definitely. All fourteen (or is it fifteen now?) women are misremembering. Us silly, disreputable, attention whoring women are at it again!
The thing that gets me is that Bill Cosby is big on moralizing and pontificating about other people acting badly. He’s no different than those ultra conservative politicians who loudly condemn everyone to hell, only to have their own sins come to light.
He has not benefited from another part of the rise of the celebrity culture: his every word is now on video record, and he has regularly shown himself to be angry, bitter, egotistical, and generally as mean as a snake. I stopped understanding people who have maintained a belief that he was a kind and lovable person. Didn’t they see any of his interviews/audiences or speeches/pontifications the past 20 years? Nothing sweet about him.
I’m with you.
It occurs to me that these women, all young and attractive at the time, were all seeking to benefit in some way through their association with Bill Cosby. It also occurs to me that, after allowing their relationship with him to progress to sex, and afterward not getting the roles/money/relationship/whatever that they hoped to get as a result, they wound up feeling used and resentful.
It’s also possible that at some point Cosby gave one of these women some Benadryl to combat some flu-like symptoms they were experiencing, as he has claimed. Benadryl really can take the wind out of your sails and make you extremely tired and sleepy, but it certainly doesn’t make you incapable of resisting rape or not remembering what happened after you wake up.
So, to escape their self-recriminations over their perception of having allowed themselves to be “used” by Cosby, they began to claim (and perhaps even convince themselves) that he drugged them, thereby allowing them to reclaim some of their lost self-esteem. Then, other women who’d found themselves in a similar situation heard about this and began to claim they were drugged and raped also, for similar reasons.
It’s a fact that at least some of these women had an ongoing relationship with Cosby after the alleged initial rape and continued to meet with and be “raped” by him numerous times over the course of their relationship.
I also find myself wondering why somebody like Bill Cosby, with all the well-known aphrodisiacs of fame, money and celebrity at his disposal, would have to resort to drugging women and forcing himself on them sexually against their will – and if we are to believe the reports – while many of them were unconscious or at most semi-conscious. Most guys in Cosby’s position would have attractive young women virtually throwing themselves at him everywhere they went. Why risk the chance that he might indeed find himself arrested and brought up on charges? Why risk the chance of an overdose or allergic reaction? Why risk the ire and potential of physical assault or gunfire from these women’s fathers and boyfriends?
I’m thinking Cosby has probably had sex with hundreds if not a couple thousand young women over the course of his life, and that what we’re hearing about now is from a handful of them who just haven’t been able to get over the way they feel they allowed themselves to be used by him, and now they have a way to say to themselves, “See? I knew it! He’s done this to a lot of women and we were all helpless and so it’s not our fault and we’re not tramps! Right? Right??”
I could be wrong of course, but these are the reasons I have some doubts as to why America’s Dad may in reality be a decades-long serial rapist.
Yeah. You could be wrong. You could definitely be wrong. You could certainly be wrong.
Too many similar stories over the decades. Fuck you Bill Cosby.
I am pretty sure being raped by a beloved celebrity is the sort of thing that tends to stick in your mind.
Think of every famous person you have ever met: Did they rape you?Are you sure? Have you considered that you may be misremembering? Maybe saw something on TV that you are unconsciously imitating? Got mixed up by some kind of hazy dream? Were you intoxicated at any of these encounters?
Or are you pretty sure you know you haven’t been raped by a celebrity?
Some people get sexual pleasure from acts of violation. They get sexual gratification from unwilling partners, or from unresponsive partners. They may prefer rape to consensual sex. They may find a drugged partner more arousing than an enthusiastic one.
A quick look at the internet will confirm that “passed out” porn has a pretty healthy market segment. Presumably, that is a preferred fantasy for a lot of people. Now, for most of these people this is only a fantasy. But some segment would do it if they felt they could get away with it.
And it seems that Cosby thought he could get away with it. Why would he think that? I don’t know, but it seems like he was right that he could.
This is my main reason for disliking the man, the latest is just shitty icing on a fucked up cake.
This simply isn’t true.
Yes, I know that for some people this is a thing. But then what about the woman who claimed he became annoyed with her and slammed his hotel room door in her face when she claimed she didn’t fell well, saying something along the lines of “After all I’ve done for you…!”, or the woman (who admits she was stoned at the time) who says she tried to avoid sex with Cosby by claiming she had an infection only to find herself having to engage in oral sex instead? And then there was the model who is claiming to have been “raped” by Cosby numerous times and in numerous locations, yet continued to meet up with and allow herself to be alone with him?
Those people were awake and conscious and he was desirous of having sex with them.
Plus he was a regular at the Playboy Mansion and the Playboy resorts during the 70s and 80s and I doubt that he engaged in much passed-out sex with the women he encountered there.
And based on what some of these women have said, it sounds like he gave up once they passed out. They describe waking up with their bras and clothing akimbo but seem unsure themselves as to whether sex actually occurred.
So I’m not thinking that passed-out sex is really his thing.
The staggering amount of misogynitic idiocy and victim blaming on this page is enough to ensure this thread could get to 10 pages before Thanksgiving.
Since no one here knows who is a victim and who is not I don’t agree that there is “victim blaming” going on here.
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Really? That’s a pretty crappy view of women to think that they would sleep with a star to get ahead then when that didn’t work resort to allegations of rape. It doesn’t say much for Cosby either that he would apparently get women by promising to help their careers without any intention of doing so. Also, you are right that while Benadryl makes you sleepy, it shouldn’t make you confused about what happened.
OTOH, the Playboy connection is interesting since it’s at least been written about in several books about Hefner that he handed out Qualudes like candy to girls he wanted to sleep with, calling them “leg-openers”. I don’t doubt that Cosby did drugs with women he wanted to sleep with. I still don’t know whether he gave them drugs specifically to be able to rape them but I do find it hard to believe that these women would come forward to accuse him just because they somehow felt guilty about sleeping with him to get ahead. These are not unsuccessful women and most (Dickenson aside) have nothing to gain and a lot to lose from coming forward. If they say nothing, they continue on with their lives, but if they come forward, they are accused of being sluts who turned vindictive when they couldn’t get what they wanted by sleeping with a celebrity. And people wonder why they didn’t say anything?!!