Can you make a living being a Movie Extra?

Every movie, with few exceptions, needs Extra, often for big crowd shots, sometimes for intimate scenes with only a few people.

Roles like third bad guy, or fifteenth line-up thug, or lady who drops handbag, or more likely one of the hundreds that cross the street.

These aren’t physically demanding, though some roles can be (soldiers, cops, firemen, athletes, etc). They may never ask you to speak a line, so acting talent isn’t required. If you hide your face well, you can appear several times in the same movie.

Considering there must be something like 100 major movies made a year, and hundreds more TV series and TV movies, there must be plenty of work for Extras to keep them busy every day of the year.

Is there? Can you make a living in Hollywood just being an Extra?

I don’t live in Hollywood, but my understanding is that yes you can, though it’s far from a fat one. There are casting directors who deal exclusively with casting of extras and they usually use a stable of reliables. A lot of retirees and schoolteachers (in summer) supplement their income with roles as extras.
I’m guessing (only a guess) that more people in Toronto come close to making a living at it than in California.

It depends. If you don’t speak or your simply part of a crowd, you make around minimum wage. That would be similar to working out of one of those casual labor places.
There are extras that ply their craft as a regular job. They belong to thescreen extra guild, which is part of SAG
They make a bit more, but maybe not as often. You can make a living doing either, but it’s a hard, unpredictable life.
I was, at one time given the opportunity to join SAG, but didn’t. Sigh. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

A friend of mine worked as an extra on quite a few movies in Toronto; it wasn’t his sole source of income (he also worked on a cruise boat on whichever Great Lake Toronto is on – Ontario?), but he said it was easy money and it provided him with some great stories. He made it sound like work was plentiful, so theoretically I guess he could have made a living doing it, but I doubt it would have been a very plush existence.

I live in Hollywood, and have a friend who works exclusively as an extra. He’s a regular on House, for instance. They like him because the show takes place at a teaching hospital, and he has silver hair (though he’s in his 30’s), so he’s in many shots with younger extras and he looks like a teaching doctor. He’s on set several days a week, and does movies and other shows in between. I’m not sure if there are “degrees” of extras – frequently large crowd shots in stadiums are with volunteers or “your organization brings x amt of people and we’ll donate y amt of dollars to your group” situations.

Define “making a living”? Is being a cook at Mickey Dees “making a living”? You may also want to consider if being an extra as being part of making a living. If a cook at Mickey Dees is in good relations with the head manager, the manager may be willing to tweak the schedule for him if he says he needs off next Friday to work as a movie extra. If the manager will adjust the schedule to to give him the same total of numbers hours, just on different days, the cook may see the extra job money as gravy. Particularly if the extra will make more an hour as an extra than what McDonalds pays.

I guess I meant, making a decent living. Enough to support yourself and perhaps a family. Which I suppose isn’t really likely to happen.

Not that I’m looking for work in this area or anything, it’s just something I’ve wondered about for a while.

I know. I’m looking for a job where they pay me for standing round doing nothing too :slight_smile:

They’ve been cutting rates for extras in film & TV here in recent years, (‘Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves’ was a notorious case in point. “I thought he only robbed the rich” was one extra’s comment) and people will take those rates too because the business is overcrowded with people desperate to break into TV. If you can get upgraded to a walk-on by saying a line, or doing some piece of business that’s prominent you should get more money - but I didn’t. In reality very very few extras make the transition to proper acting. The hours are long, the pay is poor and you get treated like cattle on some sets. CGI work is replacing really big crowd scenes now.
If you can corner a niche like playing soldier extras, when you really have been a soldier and know how to march, wear the kit, and handle firearms, then you have a bit more leverage. Re-enactment groups do fairly well in that field.

A friend of mine from high school and his wife live in New York and make part of their living - but as far as I know, only part - as movie and TV extras. (He got the acting bug in Drama Club in high school, and about 20 years ago quit his office job to free lance in show business.) They mostly have had non-speaking parts, the kind where if you blink you will miss them. I believe they supplement their income from this with other activities like giving lessons and so forth. Since they have dedicated themselves to this for many years, I think it would be tough to make a full-time living, at least a decent one, just being an extra.

How 'bout some numbers, folks? According to this site, the SAG required pay for “background actors” (the pc term for “extras”) is $115 a day, for all films as of 2003. (I don’t know if they’ve changed since then.)

Now, if we make the wild assumption that you can set up extra work for yourself 5 days a week, you’re looking at $575 a week, or just under $30,000 a year.

That’s about what my family of four survives on in a suburb of Chicago, but we’re not happy with it, we have no savings, and we struggle to make minimum payments on way too many credit cards.

Not being in SAG would make the pay lower.

it is a pretty wild assumption. Even proper actors are very lucky to work five days a week, week in week out. Most have to have other strings to their bows to get by.

If you google movie extras earn you will get a host of ads from companies with come-ons saying you can make $75-300 p/day. Most seem in line with **Why Not’s ** numbers.

FWIW This month Nicole Kidman was shooting a movie in D.C. and advertisements were run saying that Extras were being paid $14 per hour.

So to the OP (as the points have been made) you would need to be in a place that a) had near continuous filming and b) you would need to have some way to be assured of continuously working. I doubt that place would allow you to buy a house and a sensible new car at the rates quoted (if you made $115 p/day and worked 300 days = $34,500) … but you could certainly survive…

I’ll just add that I grok-ed the subject line as synonymous with:

“Can you transform a living creature into a movie extra?” (or something along those lines.)

And so I naturally was thinking, “Well, all movie extras are living beings… mostly human beings. I suppose some movie extras are dogs or cats, horses or what have you. Never really thought of, say, a traffic sign as a movie extra.”
Kinda silly I know, but I felt I had to share.

I wasn’t an extra, but I made $42,000 over 18 months for a 15 second commercial. :smiley: But that was in 1991.

‘Extras: Props that eat.’

Isn’t there a show on one of the cable channels about extras?

Yes. Extras on HBO, created by and starring Riky Gervais, creator of The Office.

RiCky Gervais :smack:

I have a friend in Hollywood who “makes a living” as an extra (she drives a beater car and live in a garage apartment). She occasionally has a line or two and of course that pays more. I was shocked at how much they paid her as an extra (it varies from job to job) because when I was an extra they fed us lunch. That was it.

Hey, a thread where I have some expertise!

I may have shared some of these stories in another thread at some point, so forgive if you’ve heard these.

When I first moved to LA, although I had some performance experience, I did not intend to become an actor. However, when the job I had moved out here for dried up, and I got tired of temping, I worked almost exclusively as a non-Union film and TV extra for a couple of months. This was in 1998, so if things have changed, my info is out of date.

I hooked up with CenEx, the non-union arm of the legendary Central Casting. I walked in, they took my picture, and said I was in their system and could start calling for the next day’s work that very afternoon, which I did.

The way CenEx worked, you had to call them about 99% of the time, as opposed to them calling you. Various casters within the company would place a voice message as to the sort of physical type they needed, and if heard the message when you called in, and you thought you matched, you called another number, they called up your picture, gave you a thumbs up or thumbs down, and if you were selected, they’d tell you where and when to show up.

Non-union extra’s made state minimum wage, which at the time, was $5.75/hr. If you showed up at all, however, you received a day’s pay. I and several dozen others once got $46 apiece for hanging around for a half hour on the lot where they shot “Ally McBeal” because the cast and crew decided after we had all arrived that they were too tired to film one of their bar scenes. If you were kept over 8 hours, you got time and a half. More than 10 hours, you got double time. I made a decent check off two really long nights on “Lethal Weapon IV”. There was a standard myth that if they kept you past 12 hours, they were supposed to pay you a day’s pay every hour, but it never happened to me, so I don’t know if it was true or not.

Now, while you are on set for a single day’s shoot, you are not at home calling into the message list. Cell phones are discouraged on set by crews, and are likely to get stolen while you are working, as are laptops. Some extras I met were registered with more than one casting agency, and hired a third party to call in for work for them. As this was my only paycheck for several weeks, I refrained from paying a sizable chunk of it that these places charged as a fee. You might luck out, and get to be a regular background person on a series that had recurrent scenes in the same location, but that was hit or miss. I got chosen to audition be a backgrounder for the first season of “That 70’s Show”, but didn’t make the cut.

One thing that’s nice, especially if you are a little short that week, is that they feed you on set for free, and most of the time, the food wasn’t too bad. On sitcoms, the stars ate with everyone else, so the food was better.

Now, your A-number-one job once you arrived on set was to find the particular director’s assistant who had your pay voucher. We were always given a contact name, but this person had invariably pawned the task of dealing with extras off on some underling. Now, the union agreements at time dictated that the first, i forget, 10 or 15 extras hired for a set HAD to be union. After that, it was up to the production, who of course always went with cheaper non-extra background talent.

So if you were called onto a set, you KNEW the DA had been given 10 or 15 union pay vouchers. If one of the union extras had not shown up for any reason, and you whored yourself out appropriately to them, they MIGHT give you an unused union voucher, and you’d be paid union scale for that day. So every set was nothing but a glad-handing session with the voucher person. Most sets announecd they were not distributing union vouchers to us, they were so sick of it. never managed to get my hands on one myself.

Once you received union scale for three jobs, you were required to join the union anyway. Actually, you might have to join two. SAG more or less covered anything done on film, while AFTRA covered video. The fee to join each was in the four figures, so you didn’t want to try and collect too many vouchers anyway. Every now and then, SAG and AFTRA talk about combining, which they know would increase new membership, but it always gets voted down in the end.

I talked to a few union extras, who told me you really needed to know where your next job was coming from before you went union, since if you weren’t one of the first 15 called, you weren’t working.

So your best bet after that was to get a “bump”. Bumps were various inconveniences one might be called upon to undergo which the rules dictated required extra pay. Getting wet or cold was a bump. Getting any special makeup, such as prosthetic applicances, was a bump. Nudity was a bump, etc. So some people got extra money that way. I forget if I did any of those.

If I had not been subletting in Brentwood, and been a little more agressive at getting jobs (I never got turned down by CenEx, which many of my fellow extras considered a miracle), I might have been able to make an extremely modest income from it, but after a couple of months, I took a more permanent job.