On Being An EXTRA In Films/Television

As per request by Equipoise, here is a thread about being an extra in films/television and commercials (so we can finally stop hijacking Ale’s thread.

In LA, my SO and I signed up for extra work when we both found ourselves unemployed. He did it far longer than I did, and has some great stories, but we both did it long enough to appreciate the good, and bad, of being an extra. (Most of the following was cut and pasted from the other thread, with a few additional comments.)

You usually have to be there at the crack of dawn, wait for costumes and makeup, then wait for the director to call you, then get about 2 minutes of direction, a couple of run throughs, then wait for the lead actors to re-learn lines that had been re-written, wait for them to walk through the script, then a quick rehearsal, then - end of 12 hour day and back tomorrow for more of the same. In a film, you were lucky to be on camera a minute or two…for television, it was all leading up to the Friday taping(s) of the show (sitcoms) before a live audience.

All of that for about $50-$70 a day, plus some VERY good food.

The only way you actually made money doing it was because you were spending every waking minute on the set and didn’t have time to spend a nickel during the shoot.

And when it is all over, you can shout for joy to your friends, “look, that is my elbow next to Kelsey Grammer!”

Being an extra can be fun, but you really have to be fully unemployed and have lots and lots of time on your hands. It is also the only type of agency where you have to pay money to make money - initially. Most extra agencies, at least in LA, charge you when you first go there - only fair as they have to take photos and put you in a database and if you are a flake, sign up and then go take a full time job and become unavailable the next day, they have useless photos on hand and a useless phone number. It used to cost about $35 to register, but don’t know what it costs now. They are not scams, just covering their ass.

At any rate, once you are listed sometimes they call you especially if you are a real “type”. If you are very tall, or very fat, or very odd looking, or can do gymnastics, can speak a different language, have scars, have a shaved head - you get the idea. They don’t always want the “normal” looking people and you might luck out and be exactly what they are looking for to fill a larger part.

However, 95% of the time it is up to you to call in every afternoon to see what is available the next day and this is very important. In this business, persistance is a must - you have to call, and call, and call - don’t miss a single day. This helps you get on their good lists, meaning someone who is available, and suddenly you might get a phone call from a hysterical agent at 10:00 pm begging you to be on the set at 5:00 AM tomorrow for a shoot half way across town. Do it! Then you will have a big “in” for the next time you want something. Those casting directors wield a lot of power, so if they like you and you have done them a favor, you can get some cushy assignments! Sometimes when you call in those lists were quite funny to hear - “we need 35 Asians who can play violin and will agree to having their hair dyed blonde”…“we need biker types with tattoos on legally exposed body parts”…“looking for people who speak Italian and can juggle…”…sometimes people got lucky - some extra roles turn into bit speaking parts (WAY more money and a SAG card!!!)…some sitcoms (and a few dramas) have a stable of extras who get a regular gig the entire season, so you have a season’s worth of work guaranteed. Once, I got paid an extra $40 for them to park my car on a fake NY street on the lot and put mud on it (they later washed my car for free). You meet a lot of interesting people - but as mentioned, for the most part it is hurry up and wait and really, really long hours - forget any personal life during your gig. Oh, and usually you are required to bring three sets of your own clothes with you for shows set in the present, depending on the show (obviously not when it is a period piece). If you are a guy, it helps if you own a tux – as a lot of films/television shows have “fancy parties” and they want people to have the clothes for the part. Women need formal dresses.

However, I strongly urge anyone who is retired, who might have some kind of physical handicap or look different than most people to sign up! They like to have interesting characters on file. But even if they don’t specifically ask for you, you will be amazed how often they just need bodies to be in the background and if you ain’t got nothin’ else to do, this could be a nice steady source of income - especially once you get a reputation at one of those agencies as being reliable. You won’t get rich, but who knows, you might get a speaking part and then anything could happen.

I was in about 4 sitcoms and two films, my SO was in about 20 sitcoms and I think at least 5 films, if not more. He had the longest on screen time (in an episode of Frazier, the one where Frazier starts going to Roz’s favorite British bar) and is constantly in the background at the bar.

The busy time for sitcoms and television starts about mid summer and goes until November – films are pretty much year-round. And as mentioned, you get to meet a lot of interesting people – the extras are usually wannabe actors (although not all of them) and you usually get to meet quite a few famous actors, but they seldom have time to really chat much and you are told to leave them alone unless spoken to – which is only fair as you will see just how hard it is for them constantly learning new lines, new direction and add to that the stress of carrying a show – well, they aren’t always in the best of moods so probably wise to steer clear.

All of the info above was based on experience in LA - I have no idea the quality, and frequency, of work in Chicago, NY, Arizona, Seattle, etc. It is also up to you to verify if the agency is legit - there are a lot of scams out there so beware - you really shouldn’t pay for anything more than the initial photos, if that (there are no additional charges for you to be in the films - that money is paid by the producers to the agencies). The best approach is to probably call the local chapter of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) and ask which extra agency or agencies are the biggest and best in your area.

Feel free to add any info if you were an extra, or if you have questions, post them and I, or someone who has been there, can try to answer.

So, how do I get to be an extra, then? What’s a reputable agency near London?

Wherever they shoot films and television shows, they need extras.

I don’t know how it works in London, but my guess there is a Screen Actors Guild (or equivalent) there and if you make a phone call, I am sure they can point you towards an agency that specializes in hiring extras. You might try calling Pinewood Studios (that is still the big film studio area, isn’t it?) and asking who they use.

Aaah, memories. I was in an episode of Matlock as an assistant D.A. (got a bump to $150/day!). Then I was a soldier for 4 days shooting the pilot for China Beach. great food and tons of fun on that set. We started poking around the hospital tent set they’d dressed up, and found that the mail slots were filled with unopened fan-mail sent to Tom Cruise! We joked about writing back to the girls claiming to be his “agent” and asking for bikini photos and phone numbers, never did it though.

Stopped doing it when I got a real job.

My advice, bring a really big book.

$50-$70 for a 12 hour day?

Isn’t that below minimum wage?

What, and give up show-biz!?!

As mentioned, you won’t get rich…but technically, you are probably only working about an hour, the rest of the time is just hanging around doing a lot of nothin’.

I believe there was a clause that after a certain number of hours on the set, you got more money - but it has been a few years, so don’t remember how many hours you had to be there (8 or 10?) before that kicked in. You sometimes got paid more if it was a night shot (from midnight til dawn), but that varied - sometimes you didn’t get more money for that.

Plus (again, it has been a few years since I did this) it might be more money now but I don’t think a whole lot more. There was talk about SAG trying to get more money for extras, but it wasn’t going to be a huge bump.

If you are supposed to be having a conversation (as in, say, a restaurant scene) do you really have a conversation or just pretend to talk? Or do you say “rhubarb rhubarb”?

An interesting link with more info on being an extra.

Also, I just read that you can now become a “background” member of SAG if you do three days of extra work - with some stipulations.

Things have changed since I did work as an extra, and I certainly don’t claim to be the expert in this field - just my first hand experience from back then.

In my experience, it was never to talk (they would sweeten the sound track later) and you were to just move your lips, if at all. Plus, the phrase we learned was to mouth, “apples and oranges” for background lip movement, but that was only on one shot, so don’t know if that was standard.

My wife’s younger brother, his wife and their three kids were all extras in some movies and TV shows shot here in Colorado. Ron had about eight seconds of full-face screen time in the made-for-TV remake of “The Shining.” (During the costume party sequence, he’s the guy in the Chinese costume.) It was his crowning glory. He’s been too busy since he got promoted to management to do any extra work, but he has some really great stories to tell about his “movie career.” His favorite story is about Suzanne Pleshette in the pilot for “Diagnosis Murder” (Ron’s the orderly pushing the wheelchair early in the movie.) While they were waiting to shoot the scene, she chatted with him; it was his first work in a motion picture, so she told him, “If you’re really good, absolutely no one will notice you.” After the scene, she patted his hand and said, “You’ll be practically invisible.” He took it as a compliment.

I was an extra in a commercial a few months ago … I’ll second the suggestion of bring a big book.

got paid 75 Euros and didn’t get on screen

I did extra work back in the early '80s when I first moved to NY. Films and TV commercials. The most fun was a series of AT&T spots, that took place in the 1870s, 1920s, and 1950s: they spent a fortune on costumes, sets and extras.

The 1870s spot was filmed at the “1876 Centennial,” at some abandoned pier in NJ. They bussed 100 or so of us out there and fitted us up in 19th-century clothing (old costumes from period films, not actual antique clothes!), dating from about the 1860s - 1900. I still remember I wore a gorgeous pink 1880s suit with brown trim: I had a 22" waist in those days!

Anyway, (I am turning into Grampa Simpson), the director positioned us, got up on his boom, yelled “action!” and we all took one step forward, stepped on each others’ trains, and fell on our faces.

As a lark, my wife, 5-yo daughter and I went to a cattle call for the soon to be released movie, “Lonely Heart”. Amazingly, they used all three of us. It was a real eye-opening experience.
I was in 3 scenes. I badly flubbed the first one (a complicated scene involving many people), and was the cause of another take being needed (the director wasn’t too happy with me). In another, I was between and a little behind John Travolta and James Gadolfini. In between takes, Travolta turned around and talked to me. He told me I “looked good” (I hope he was just referring to my 40’s era outfit); I told him that he didn’t look too bad himself. (Travolta: nice guy; Goldolfini rather standoffish). My last scene started with only me walking toward the camera for about 8 seconds followed by Travolta, Gandolfini and Scott Caan running toward me. I owned that scene!* :cool: Unfortunately, they cut my 8 seconds out (we saw the pre-release). My daughter had a blast, even though she was admonished for picking up the wrong produce in her “grocery store” scene (she wanted bananas, not apples). My wife was on cloud-9 for a week because she got to touch Travolta. The only one that I touched was Salma Hayek’s dog…well, technically, he touched me, the horny mutt. The pay stunk, but it was worth the effort.
*Autographs provided on request.

Someone I worked with a few years back related this story:

He is a very, very preppy-looking guy, and was in a bar in downtown Princeton, NJ. Somebody told him they needed some folks of his type to be extras in a movie about Einstein. Dave says, “Sure,” spends some time as background scenery and gets a few bucks in pay. However, part of the deal is that if you work more than a specified number of hours, you are officially part of the Screen Actors’ Guild. And they took out $.10 in contribution to the SAG retirement fund. Come year-end, he’s doing his taxes, and discovers that the dime paid to SAG made all of his 401K and IRA contributions taxable!

That doesn’t sound right. You can join SAG after your first job, but you don’t have to. You do before your second gig. I can’t believe it is the hours - my daughter’s first commercial was two days, with overtime, and she was certainly not a member. You know when you are - there are a ton of forms to fill out, and initiation fees cost a fortune. But it’s worth it - as we found out when she got a residual for the soap she was in one show of running in Italy. (About twelve cents.)

Dr. PP, there is this subtle distinction between being an extra and a principal. If you are the major focus of a shot, you become a principal (and get more money.) In the commerical, the principal kids were in the front row, and even had roles assigned (though you’d never know from watching) and the extras were in the back row. The director had problems with some of the mothers who tried to get their kids to push forward and then claim they should be principals. It almost sounds like you were a principal in the shot.

DMark I assume you didn’t eat with the cast. In my experience there’s a big difference between extra food and the food the principals (and their parents! ) got. Did you have access to Craft Services, or were you kept more or less apart? How many extras were there - I’d guess that when there are only a few they get better perks when there are a lot.

And yes - bring several books. There are few things more boring than being on a set. My daughter got very good at sleeping, though she had a dressing room, which made it easier.

Voyager, I believe you, and of course this is a second-hand story. For all I know, he signed something without realizing what it was that led to the SAG pension deduction. Or had a more significant role that required it. I do know that whatever role he played (or didn’t – for all I know he made the whole thing up) ended up on the cutting room floor.

When I was an extra 8 years ago, you got 8 hours minimum wage just for showing up. Period. I went to film a bar scene for Ally McBeal. I was there for an hour, when word came through that the cast was too tired to film the scene, and several dozen of us who were to be background in the scene could go home. With 8 hours pay, which was $46 at the time. I also got 8 hours pay for hanging around the Paramount lot for about two hours, not getting chosen to be an alien in Star Trek IX.

If you actually worked over 8 hours, you got time-and-a-half up to ten hours, then double pay up to twelve. There was a rumor that you got a full day’s pay every hour after twelve hours, but I never got to find out. I got fat pay for two really long days on Lethal Weapon IV.

I’m sure there are a number of ways to go union, but the only way that was talked about on any of the sets I worked on was to get a hold of three union pay vouchers. When you arrived at a set, you had to report to the person who had your pay voucher (who had always pawned it off on someone else by the time you got there). The union rules were that the first X (it might of been 10 or 12) extras hired for a set had to be union, and thre rest could be either union or non-union. If one of those extras didn’t show, and the person with the vouchers was feeling generous toward you, they might cross the no-show’s name off, and put yours on it, and you got union scale pay for the day. As you can imagine, this turned every set into a whore-fest, and most sets would announce right at the top of the day that no non-union background was getting a union voucher that day. If they’ve changed rules since then I wouldn’t be surprised.

Anyhoo, after 3 union pay vouchers you could present them to SAG (if they were SAG vouchers) and join (to the tune of a 4-figure initial dues fee). Three AFTRA vouchers got you into AFTRA ( and anohther 4-figure fee). And yes, it would be easier on the poor actors if the two unions would just join, but they never do and they never will. There have been two failed attempts since I moved here ten years ago.

The union extras I talked to on sets confirmed my conjecture that you wanted to be really sure of where your work was coming from before you went union, because your higher pay made you less hirable. That and the fact that no set would even dream of hiring more union extras than the rules declared was a minimum.

That depends on the set.

Lethal Weapon IV was very segregated. There were two very large tents. One for the ten union extras, one for the couple hundred rest of us.

On the flipside, the sit-com sets were the opposite. At dinner on Caroline in the City, I sat two seats away from Lea Thompson.

When my daughter was working, my understanding was that anyone could join AFTRA, if you paid the four figure fee, that is. SAG required that you had worked. Her manager was dead set against her wasting her money unless she had to. I believe she had one job that theoretically required her to join, but no union rep ever showed up, so we never actually paid. She voted against the merge, by the way.

In New York the unions were not very present. A SAG rep did show up at Silvercup studios, and said “there will be no overtime on this set.” (Theoretically kids can’t work overtime.) All the experienced mothers laughed at her. There was overtime. I think the production company had to pay a penalty to the actors, so it did add up to good money - not a full day an hour, though. I suspect the unions have more clout in LA.