Canada Election 2019

So you don’t accept my apology? Why not? It was given with as much sincerity as Trudeau’s.

Frankly, I don’t hate or not hate Trudeau. We shouldn’t be having any conversation around this idiot as he shouldn’t be PM. The only reason he is is primarily because of who his father was. I don’t think that is deserving of respect and it keeps people who are better qualified from achieving that position. I don’t have to agree with someone to respect them. I am sure the Liberals can find someone who is both charismatic and competent and not have to excuse them for wearing blackface or fondling women or breaking the law, or saying they are woke and kicking out of caucus strong women for doing their jobs and not bowing down in the glow of his good hair.

Fundamentally Trudeau has manage a caucus for longer than any other leader currently (aside from May), defeated the established Conservative government and moved his party from 34 seats to 184.

In all the ways that matter Trudeau has been a successful party leader. Given the economy, relative success in trade negotiations with the US and EU and more or less TPP, improvements in relations with First Nations he’s been a relatively successful PM.

You are absolutely hilarious. Don’t every change Uzi. “I don’t hate Trudeau”. Followed by an amusing list of why you hate him with a burning passion. You even work in an insult about his hair. I’m surprised you didn’t call him “Justine”.

It’s not just “no profit”, your plan would have us losing $10 on every barrel we sell. Where would that money come from? If it’s supposed to come from the oil companies, well, good fucking luck, those are the guys who decided to lay everyone off when the price went below $90 per barrel or so. So where else will it come from? The Federal Government? BUT THAT’S SOCIALISM!!11!!1!

I just love hearing this from the pro-Alberta crowd, after Alberta has taken every opportunity they’ve had in my entire life to tell the rest of Canada to go fuck themselves whenever we’ve asked them to pretty please do something for “their fellow Canadians”.

BUT HIS LAST NAME! TEH nAMmE!!!11!!

I didn’t vote for him the last time because he did seem to get an easy ride based on his father. But since then he’s done a pretty good job where it really counts, including showing some actual leadership when he bought that pipeline. Yes, yes, I know, he’s getting shit on by both sides over that now, but that’s the point: he did something for “Think of your Fellow Canadians!” Alberta that he knew would be totally unpopular with his own supporters, because it was the right thing to do. And he did it knowing that nothing would ever sway the opinions of the “Looks at his clothes!” brigade.

Sure, the pipeline failed, because no one really wants Albertan oil at this price point, but you can’t Blame Trudeau for the cost of oil.

Well, they will blame him, but they shouldn’t.

Rather than ad hominem opinions of Trudeau, what do you think about the Liberals proposals?

I’m not against spending on things that will make or save money in the long run, or allow other people to do so. After all, interest rates may not always be low.

But heavy spending in good times needs to be targeted. A PharmaCare program might make sense. National child care would help families. Infrastructure could be helpful; there should be broader transportation networks around big cities and service to rural areas. Environmental sacrifices and military upgrades cost money.

The traditional of micro targeted tax rebates is inefficient. I’m not thrilled with money for camping, which could be done in smarter ways. I’d like to see more balance. Throwing money at housing just elevates prices. Money to fight gangs is probably worthwhile. There doesn’t seem to be much restraint, though. The reports saying Canada is fiscally sound don’t seem to include provincial or municipal obligations.

Your thoughts?

Pharmacare should in no way be considered “heavy spending in good times”. That’s nuts. It would be a permanent program. I think it’s an important thing that should be implemented but let’s be real.

I like Trudeau. Some parts of the plan are okay. Serious authors like Danielle Martin make a compelling case for PharmaCare, but the details matter. In the long run it would save many Canadians money.

But Trudeau’s 27 billion dollar deficit does not include or discuss PharmaCare. Heavy spending in good times refers to this 27 billion. I give PharmaCare as an example of a good long-term investment.

In fairness, some economists think distributing money to the middle class can prevent or minimize a coming recession. I’m not sure it’s enough money to do that. Infrastructure means jobs and has lasting benefits.

Since the leaders aren’t going to layout their platforms I thought I’d go digging. The Liberals only just released theirs, while the Conservatives still don’t seem to have a single page. Anyone with a link, please put it up.

Conservative Platform - ???
Green Platform - https://www.greenparty.ca/en/platform
Liberal Platform - https://2019.liberal.ca/our-platform/?utm_source=2019.liberal.ca&utm_medium=platform-casgrain
NDP Platform - https://www.ndp.ca/commitments

And the PBO estimates page EPC: PBO Estimates

From what I’ve seen in TV and newspaper ads, the Conservative platform currently appears to be “Everybody should hate Trudeau!”.

Ok, I hate him, if it makes you feel better. As good a reason for not voting for him as any of the others I mentioned. And the reason? The other items I mentioned.
If I said I liked him, would it make those issues any less important? Or, if I like him then I’d forgive him? But why should I like him? What the hell do my feelings for him matter in the least?

The real question is why did you decide to be so transparently dishonest? Did you think “not hating him” was going to make your insults and name calling more weighty?

I see, so it is about me rather than the person who wore blackface? Nice defelction. I don’t see how my feelings about this idiot makes one bit of difference.

No, it’s not about you. Well, the part about you was about you, but the election isn’t. I’m sorry I don’t care that much about the black face. For something like that, which clearly didn’t come from a place of hate, the contrition he’s offered is sufficient for me. You may not believe it but I’d offer the same pardon to Scheer.

Here’s an actual Conservative policy: Cut foreign aid by 25%, Redirect the savings into tax cuts for the wealthy.

Well, at least it’s a policy.

Which Conservative tax cut? The proposed reduction on the lowest tier from 15% to 13.75% is obviously targeted at the lowest federal taxation income level and not the wealthy, though they benefit as well.

Cost is expected to be 6 billion (https://www.pbo-dpb.gc.ca/web/default/files/Documents/ElectionProposalCosting/Results/32644536_EN.pdf?timestamp=1569954894076) which swamps out the 2 billion redirected from foreign aid. So I’m not sure where that money comes from.

It’s be interesting to see a proposal that placed a new bracket in the upper reaches as well as reducing a lower bracket. That’s not something that comes out in an election though. :slight_smile:

***Inefficiencies! ***

The CPoC has a completely childish 404 page. https://www.conservative.ca/404.html It really seems like the bulk of the CPoC campaign is “Not Trudeau!”

With respect to costed platforms, the other parties are all out with PBO costed platforms. Scheer says he will have one out. Eventually. To me it seems like he wants to continue to say that Trudeau’s Liberals aren’t fiscally responsible while hiding that his platform will be: a - expensive, and b - unbalanced. Am I wrong? Maybe, but the way to show me I’m wrong is for the CPoC to put out a costed platform. What are they waiting for?

The latest 338canada.com analysis has this starting to run away from the CPoC in terms of seat projections. Popular vote is neck and neck, but much of the CPoC vote is going to be wasted in the West (they’ll win by landslides). I’d really like to see the PPC numbers go lower. Like to zero. Or maybe negatives. The big story of this election though has got to be the Green Party and NDP possibly switching places right? Is an NDP/Green merger in the future?

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I think the 2 billion includes 200 million a year in to the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank but the rest seems fuzzy.

Canada’s Foreign Aid – CIDP | Canadian International Development Platform has an excellent visualization of Canada’s foreign aid. I’m not sure what bi-lateral means specifically or if that includes contributions to UN agencies that then apply the funds to various regions. The Conservatives point out Russia, Iran and North Korea but not specific programs. It could be TB controls for all we know.