You stupid prick. If we wanted to, we could find out without you telling. But what I can tell is, you come from a stupid country with no education because as a damned European, you can’t even spell Luxembourg.
The only thing I can think of right now that is better in Europe is that stupid pricks like you are in it, rather than over here.
Quincy, the only reason it wouldn’t be someone’s choice to choose their own health care is if they decide to let someone else to decide for them. Give me an example of how someone in the U.S. would not be able to freely choose their own health care otherwise.
Have you ever heard of HMO’s? They started out as a great idea. How great are they really? Not great at all. HMO’s take away your right to decide when and where you get medical treatment and how extensive that treatment is. HMO’s should have been good, but have been corrupted quite easily. The same thing would happen with national health care. Government interference in our daily lives would be inefficient and inherently dangerous. The more power the government gets, the more it will want and the more potentially dangerous it becomes.
Therefore, nationalized health care would be a disaster for the freedom of the U.S. We would have the government telling us when and where we can get health care treatment, how extensive the treatment is, and what kind of ailments deserve certain treatments. I don’t know about anyone else, but I think that has a risky factor to be corrupted, and I do not want the democracy in our country to be taken away because some people don’t want to decide for themselves how to take care of themselves.
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I used that example because it was a lot of talk about in the media. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PRICK.
I’m not an expert on british medical care, but I have the impression that I know a bit more about it than you do. But of couse that shouldn’t be too hard either - or what prick ?
Actually, by what Major Feelgud has said and what you’ve attempted to say, I’d wager he knows quite a bit more about how these things work than you. You’ve already demonstrated a lack of understanding about how democracy works, and how the U.S. works. You’ve provided no basis for your arguments other than your apparent personal dislike for America, our political system, and our ideological beliefs. You’ve admitted that you are not knowledgeable about everything you’ve so freely given us your criticizing opinion of. You’ve made poor attempts to insult those who disagree with you. You’ve said things without having anything to back up what you claim.
My advice to you? Either give it up, as you will not win in an argument based on ignorance against one based on fact and knowledge, or research what you’re attempting to give your opinion about. If you do that, then you can come back, and we can have an educated discussion, not a discussion of a teacher to a particularly dull student.
Tell me this. What about persons or whole families with a (sorry but I don’t know the correct name for this) disease which children inherits from their parents etc. I’ve heard that no one would give them any health insurance. So if they get sick they must pay the whole bill out of their own pocket -which could be several thousands.
Maybe the system you describe (in such a limited and disadvantageous way) wouldn’t work in US, but it’s the best system over here and there is strong support within the people to keep it.
I don’t know the US medical system in detail, but I sure know the most important parts of it.
Another thing, what the hell are all these plastic surgeons doing in US? Why can’t they help people who really needs it instead of using all their time on fixing the tits, faces and the vaginas on these rich bitches. They are making money like hell on things that should be secundary in society. This excist because it’s the capitalism who runs the whole show. It’s a huge business. Money runs everything - but it’s not good for society.
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You caught me there.
Thank you for proving your ignorance.
Family running diseases do not prevent anyone from getting a private health care plan. Their insurance costs just as much (Or maybe slightly more, depends on the insurance company, which is another aspect of a free economy and competition) as anyone else. However, they may have to get prescription drugs, or may have to see a doctor more frequently. Insurance plans don’t pay for 100% of the cost, it covers a lot of it. The person still has to pay some of the cost. Someone who sees a doctor more and gets more prescription drugs has to pay more.
And about the cosmetic surgeries that are so prevalent in big cities, especially hollywood: It’s called spending your money how you want it to be spent, not how the government wants it spent. It’s one of the ideas the U.S. is founded on, which is why nationalized health care is unconstitutional. Nationalized health care would allow the government to decide what do with other people’s money, and that’s a very inefficient way for things to work.
Now that I’ve debunked those arguments, what other baseless claims do you have?
QUINCY: As it happens, I’m a retired health care professional (retired October, I can show you some unrelated threads where I’ve said that). I know a lot about the ins and outs of US and overseas health care. I know it because I’ve talked to overseas doctors about these things.
National Health in the UK is pretty much the same as the health system the Soviet Union had, and we all how well that worked out.
I’ve talked to Canadian doctors and Canadian health care is going down the same road UK health care is. They’ll be the same in about 20 years time. In Vancouver, B.C. (almost next to the US border) they’ve fucked up their system so much that sometimes they have to airlift cases to Seattle. I can guarantee you that if England was on our borders we’d been seeing a lot of Brits come here for health care. That’s how good our free enterprise system is.
I think the only reason why Pinochet went to the UK was because he was afraid of controversy here (demonstrations, etc.) and look where it got him.
Hi. I don’t usually post in Pit threads, but :
I’m a Democrat med/grad student from Houston.
QUINCY":
First of all, as stated before, not everybody in Texas is quite like portrayed on TV. IMHO, most Texans are proud of the stereotype, and don’t mind it being perpetuated. Most city dwellers do not come anywhere close to the mold.
Houston is the 4th largest city in the country. The city is primarily run by Democrats – Lee Brown now and Bob Lanier before him. One of the most liberal members of Congress, Sheila Jackson-Lee, is from my district. We have a large and active Green party in town.
We have in Houston a semi-socialized medicine program called the Hospital District which takes care of everbody not covered by insurance or Medicaid. This greatly reduces the 19% uninsured that we see around here.
We have a very diverse population down here. We have thriving Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, and South American communities.
Our state capitol, Austin, with the University of Texas, is one of the more liberal cities in the country. It is also a booming worldwide center for high-tech, with Dell and TI based around there.
We don’t all blindly follow Bush. Very few of my friends own cowboy hats. Even fewer go line-dancing. I hate country music. I’m sure if you were to come down here for a week, you’d be surprised. Besides ample water and miles of rolling countryside, I don’t think that you as a European would be able to tell much difference between here and LA.
Now come on, QUINCY’’’. If you think you telling what country you are in is too risky, then you must have serious issues indeed. In fact, a truly security conscious person would not post to a Web Board that logs IP’s now, would they?
I ask you, politely, to give up the “Quincy Powers, International Man of Mystery” routine and tell us about your country.
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Sorry, but it’s not what I have heard
I suggest that you should get some experience from the real world. Then maybe you will se how stupid some of your views on life and society are.
Sheee-it! That does it. Im-a through with this high-falootin ignernt scalliwag. Grab the horses, I’m going for the shotgun. If we ride hard we’ll hit the Texas/Europe border by sundown and get this sumbitch!
You got an’ ass-whoopin’ comin’ boy!
Take your “EUROPEAN OPINION”…
Hey you anti-American European idiots. The Constitution of the United States of America has led the world out of the tyranny of darkness, of the tyranny or idiot military dictators, of stupid kings and queens that think all other people are on earth for their entertainment.
After spending nearly two years in Europe in 1979, 1980, 1981 I came back home with one overwhelming impression of Europeans in general. You are obsessively jealous of our political, economic and sociological sucess. In over one thousand years you self righteous nincompoops still cannot unify yourselves. In less than one hundred years we conquered a continent. Even with the EU, or whatever you are calling it today, you cannot get it together.
Ha! Did I or did I not say exactly this in my incredibly long post (that apparently nobody read) in the first page of this thread??
Monster104 (my good buddy ;)) mentioned at the top of this page that Switzerland is not exactly democratic. A big “Amen!” to that. In fact, Switzerland was one of the last countries in the WORLD to give women the right to vote. And here’s something else for so-called “enlightened” Europeans to chew on: Europe as a whole outside of Scandinavia was behind the U.S. in giving women suffrage.
Hey, I guess we’ve progressed beyond the “clownishness” of Bush, haven’t we?
What are you saying by this? I think I would know more about my country than you would. Do you say this because I am a teenager? Do you think a 17 year old is incapable of being intelligent? Do you think it is impossible that I, a mere minor, would have any kind of real world experience? Or are you just insulted that I’ve proved you wrong on every single argument you’ve brought up?
How can you say my views on life and society are stupid? I’ve never once mentioned my views on life; that’s a completely different topic altogether. My view on society is one shared by many millions of Americans, both democratic and rebublican. Your behavior in this thread is insulting and condescending to Americans. You hold onto biased, ignorant views. You say you are from Europe, yet you won’t tell us what country you live in for fear of internet security? Bullshit.
I’m only 17, and yet I’ve been more logical, reasonable, factual, and less immature than you have. Do you find that all that hard to accept? Do I not fit in a Europion mold that American teenagers are immature and irrational? If I don’t, tough shit and deal with it in a mature way.
You don’t seem to understand America at all. According to you, it should be pretty pathetic that I, a teenager, am teaching you about government, health care, and free economy. You should take your head out of your ass and learn about this stuff before you come and spew this crap that you don’t have a clue about.
You started this thread based on a biased stereotype. You’ve continued arguing using a biased stereotype. You’ve tried to judge me using a biased stereotype. From all this, I have concluded that you a jerk.
And do you infact know that USA have supported a lot of military dictators in the last 30-40 years or so. Especially in South- and Central America.
But these kings and queens are today more for the peoples entertainment than the opposite. They are there because the people want them to be there. They have only a symbolic power today. They would simply not have survived if they had tried to seek any political power.
I suppose that maybe The Kennedy family are to you what the Royal family are to the brits.
What was your political, economic and socialogical success back in 1979,80,81 ?
I’m not a historian, but I have the impression (from what I’ve read and seen on TV) that the US had similar problems as the Europeans had in those days. Except that you had (as usual) a much higher crime rate, + an increasing number of homeless people. You had also a (-) in the national budget.
A question to you: Have you ever heard about Aristotele, Platon, Copernicus, Gallileo Galelei, Kepler, Newton, Decarte, Darwin, Hume, The industrial revolution, train, factories ?
The modern USA are what it is today much to our thanks. You have actually invented very few of those inventions you are so proud of today. I don’t even think that the Computer nor the TV was invented in US.
So I think that my continent have contributed a lot to your success today. And perhaps I should mention those German rocket scientist you grabed after the war. Scientist which made it possible for US to build long distance missiles and space ships.
And do you infact know that Europe and EU consist of a lot of different nations. Nations with differnt history, different languages, differenc culture and sometimes different political goals. There are also considerable opposition against a closer relationship between European nations.
It’s not like in USA, where most states areen’t more than perhaps 250-300 years, with the same language, all have been a part of the English or French colonial system etc. The creation of USA was more natural than the creation of EU.
Here in Sqamous Flats a whole carload of Texans came through once after they took a wrong turn up by Tumour Cove. After we disarmed 'em (it was easy considering how drunk they were) we set 'em loose in the woods and let the dogs out to chase 'em round for awhile. Hoo boy! That was some kinda fun. That was the day I saw my first hanging chad.
At least we think his name was chad.
I would just like to point out that I, as the resident EuroTrash-with-a-functioning-brain, am equally disgusted by Quincy’s nonsense on the one hand, and Major Feelgud All-Hail-The-US-of-Fucking-A crap on the other hand.
Ewww. Crap on my other hand. Yuck.
I also notice a few posters with seriously fucked up views on Europe - people who claim to have been to the continent at hand. If they were, they weren’t exactly paying attention, or so it seems.
No, we Europeans are not superior to Americans. Nor is the reverse scenario the case. Sure, politics is different on the other side of the pond. So what? Who’s to say what’s better or worse? All countries discussed are democracies in the strictest of definitions. You get what you vote for. Enough said.
On a final note: I would advice a lot of people to take this thread less seriously. Blood pressure and all that. Also, I trust in your good judgement: don’t equate Quincy to any sort of European Vox Populi.
Oh, and Quincy? Where ARE you from, pal?