Captain America 2 - Open Spoilers

I want him to comeback and form the Masters of Evil using villains from past movies or at least set up in past movies or even in Agents of SHIELD.

What, there are two Captain America 2 threads? :confused: Well, what I wrote in the other was:

The wife and I saw the movie today and enjoyed it. I just wanted to point out that at the end, when Nick Fury is grabbing some documents out of that attache case or whatever it was, presumably for use on his travels, the one on top was clearly a Thai work permit for foreigners. That got a chuckle out of the audience here in Bangkok. I’m guessing he’ll be an English teacher cum bar bum in Pattaya. That’s the place for him to be anyway if he wants to keep tabs on half the world’s bad guys.

I also noted that the wife and I noticed “Thai food” on Steve Rogers’ “to do” list. :smiley:

This is the primary “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” thread. There’s also a “Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD for people who have seen Captain America” thread, where you posted about the Thai work permit before (which is hilarious BTW). Since a lot of people who watch Agents of Shield haven’t seen CA yet, two threads were opened - one where you’re not supposed to openly post anything about the movie that wasn’t already revealed in the show, and one that’s wide open for movie spoilers and discussing the episode in light of movie information. Clear as mud, right?

Yeah, one of the general pieces of suspension of disbelief needed for the Marvel universe (at least the film version of it) is that despite the recent (well, dating back to at least the 1940s) MASSIVE changes in the timeline, which would have implications on science, philosophy, religion, politics, relative-power-of-nations, etc., the in-film universe always remains as similar as possible to the real world, so that we’ll be able to recognize and sympathize with it.

In other words, even though our-world-plus-superhumans-and-supervillains would diverge incredibly quickly into something nearly unrecognizable (for better or worse), that does not happen (except when the plot calls for it).

Steve’s to-do contained different things depending in what country you saw it.

Here’s a gallery: http://imgur.com/gallery/qM5iw

Could be that Fury is also going to different places depending where you watched the film. Thai food seems to be a constant in all Steve’s lists though.

I thought the movie did a perfectly fine job of explaining why we didn’t see any other supers. Fury didn’t know who he could trust. At the beginning of the movie, he trusts Rogers, and maybe Hill, and that’s it. He doesn’t want to get anyone else involved until he’s sure about them.

And the pattern that seems to be forming is that in a hero’s first two movies, they face their opposite number, and then in the third they face something new. Stark had two other guys in arc-reactor armor, and then the Extremis dudes. Thor had Loki and a dark elf, but I’ll bet his next foe comes from ordinary outer space in our universe. And Cap’s faced off against two other supersoldiers now, but his third enemy will be something else.

And then they’ll reboot the universe and we’ll have to watch all the origins again. :frowning:

Eh-- only if they start tanking at the box office. They have it mapped continuously building until the late 2020s.
They may recast leads but they won’t reboot.

I don’t think Marvel Studios is going to go that route. They’ve already said they aren’t afraid to re-cast.

If they play their hand right, they won’t even have to re-cast.

They’ve already pretty much come out and said that Chris Evans’s Steve Rogers is going to pass the Cap torch to Sebastian Stan’s Bucky Barnes.

RDJ is out soon, and he’s looking to be replaced by a combo of Iron Patriot and Bettany’s Vision, which I am betting is going to be a suited-up and AIed JARVIS.

Hawkeye (who is probably going to bite it in Avengers 2 next year) can be replaced by Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch who are coming in as part of the Avengers 2 storyline.

Guardians is setting up a whole slew of new characters who can either come to earth and replace current Avengers, or stay in space and have their own adventures and build a rotating cast of characters out there to mix-n-match with.

As long as they time the introductions right, and keep the ‘main cast’ on a pretty solid 6 to 9 film contract, then the evolution and changes to the line-up will be gradual and organic feeling, rather than a forced: lets all pretend that this new guy is RDJ, ok?

I’m hopeful that they won’t be rebooting things for a while now. They’ve consistently focused on their whole ‘shared universe’ concept, so I’ll trust them to stick with that for as long as they can ride it out.

Huh? :confused:

When did they say this? And how would it solve anything, given that Stan and Evans are around the same age?

They may be the same age, but Stan is signed for 9 films, and has only done two so far.

Evans was signed for 6, has done 3, has two more on the official slate (Avengers 2, Cap 3) has a rumored Cap 4, and he’s indicated that he might be ok with being done at that point.

There haven’t been any interviews about it, but I personally find it highly suspect that in each of the Cap films so far, Bucky has picked up the shield and ‘posed’ in a very Captain-like manner. The individual Avengers’ props are significant, and non-Avengers characters who interact with them in minor ways have had those hints pay off - think of Rhodey’s line near the end of Iron Man, forshadowing him as War Machine (which I called Iron Patriot above, because I’m easily confused).

Between those scenes, the already-canon storyline in Civil War, and the differences in their remaining contract lengths, it’s in the cards. I don’t know how it will play out, but I’m pretty damn sure it will.

And as far as them aging out - that was my point with them rotating the cast. There might be an upcoming Avengers movie with none of the original Avengers, instead a cast of new people who were introduced and gradually replaced the originals. If Stan finishes out, then maybe Cap retires for a while and Captain Marvel picks up that spot on the team.

I think that Evans could likely be persuaded to sign for more movies if the money was right. The question is whether Marvel Studios wants to go the Bucky-Cap route this soon or not.

Oh, and I also thought that Scarlett Johansson didn’t look nearly as hot here as she did in The Avengers or Iron Man II. Partly that’s just reversion to the mean, of course: Nobody looks as hot as she did in The Avengers. But I also think the straight hair is a mistake for her, and I think the dye might have been a bit off, too.

Speaking of Scarlett Johansson, this is her second movie with Robert Redford, after The Horse Whisperer 16 years ago.

I don’t think you can call one example a “pattern.”

If anything, the pattern seems to be that the movie plots are taken from the most popular comic storylines that don’t have an overly complicated backstory (so, probably no Beta Ray Bill). For Cap that probably means the next movie is a combination of search-for-Bucky + Death of Captain America. Thor will probably go out on a Ragnarok storyline.

Wait, what does the Pentagon care about a fictional secret agency deciding to launch a nuke? I know they don’t like the military portrayed in a negative light or falsely in movies, but SHIELD doesn’t exist

They didn’t like that there was an apparently supernational organization with the ability and authority to nuke Manhattan with no clear chain of command connecting it with the US.

Hell, I don’t like that!

The World Coucil makes me squirrely, too much power in too few hands.

If Dennis Haysbert was a member of the Council I’d feel better.