Using super powers at all, or using them for crime fighting activities that would otherwise be illegal? If Cap sees a woman trapped under a burning car, and used his super strength to lift it, is he in violation of the Accords? If Wanda uses her witch powers to float a bowl of cereal from the kitchen to the living room while she’s watching “The View”, is that a violation?
I don’t think we can discuss the fine points of a fictional law about super powers in that detail. I was just discussing the possible general concept of the law as it worked in the movie.
I agree. The Hawkeye character and Renner’s performance are some of my favorite things from the franchise.
Sure, but my point is that why do you even need the Accords, unless the Accords do something outside normal existing laws? AFAICT, what Cap’s team did in Lagos was flat out illegal. The Avengers have no government powers whatsoever. Nigeria would have been perfectly within their rights to demand extradition of every Avenger present, and prosecute them for various crimes up to and including murder. So how do the Accords change that?
I don’t think it was in the movie at all, but in Agents of SHIELD when they mentioned the Accords it was said that they required every enhanced human to register and subject themselves to a power assessment and threat evaluation.
Regardless of how they then used or didn’t use their powers. Whereas the movie made it sound more like something that specifically applied to the Avengers.
Stupid Movie Nitpick: When Tony says to Hawkeye that he should be playing golf, and Hawkeye says “I played 18, I shot 18, where’s the fun?”.
I don’t care how perfect your aim is, a normal human without strength powers can’t drive the ball 500 yards, especially if the course doglegs and he would have to hit it over trees or whatever.
A foreign girl with magic mind powers taking over the body of a sentient robot made of an impossible metal I can believe. But getting an ace on a par 5? Bullshit.
It appears that par 5 hole in ones have occurred, though extremely rarely.
But maybe he just went on an all par-3 course.
Maybe it was miniature golf.
There was a lot to enjoy in this movie. But I didn’t love it the way I loved my favorite superhero films. Which, FTR, are, in no particular order: Deadpool; the Avengers movies, especially the first one; the first two X-Men movies, especially the second one; the first Iron Man movie; and the first Andrew Garfield Spider-Man outing (definitely not the second). But it was better than Thor, or the other Captain America movies for sure.
In particular, I had a problem (as is so often the case with these superhero-vs.-superhero stories) with the way various characters’ powers matched up against each other. There were characters who were hella powerful, yet got stymied or even defeated for no other reason than that the plot called for it, or maybe in one case because it is technically a “Captain America” movie and not an “Iron Man” or “Avengers” movie. In the airport fight, Vision and Scarlet Witch would be shown very briefly kicking ass (which it doesn’t take them much time to do), and then the camera would rotate for a good while to the other characters. When they rotated back around to Vision and SW, they did not appear to have done much of anything in the interim. On a smoke break, maybe?
Also not sure how I feel about Marisa Tomei as Aunt May; and Spider-Man’s motion is back to the cartoony, massless style, after the huge improvement in Amazing Spider-Man obtained by using stuntmen swinging on actual cables.
And don’t get me started on how little Bucky’s (“Winter Soldier”) powers make sense. It’s like operating a super-powerful crane that’s mounted on quicksand.
But there were lots of good action setpieces, funny, quippy dialogue, and a central dilemma that was actually thought-provoking.
Yeah, that was cray-cray. The 2013 film The Congress started out going into this very interesting idea, with movie stars getting a one-time payout to be “scanned” and essentially have their youthful likenesses become eternal property of the movie studios…before the movie took a bizarre left turn into total la-la land (almost literally).
I really liked that too. Constantly having the world/universe in peril gets old.
Thunderbolt Ross (whom I always knew from the Hulk comics as an Army general; but in this, I suppose he is a civilian). Yeah, good points. Still, I do think there is a case to be made for not letting supers just run rampant.
I thought that at first too, but after watching him fight a lot, the rest of his body seems augmented to superhuman strength levels too, plus the other Winter Soldiers didn’t seem to have any metal parts but were clearly super strong. They must have developed some sort of super soldier serum or something.
Huh, okay. I suppose in general, I have trouble accepting the movie version of “super soldier”, after growing up on comics in which it was clearly laid out as being “peak normal human” level in strength and agility. So basically an Olympic gold medalist in any event you can think of, but not at such a level where you’d lap the field.
Yeah, my understanding is that Bucky-without-the-arm is still basically Cap Lite. We also see Zola’s doctors doing quite a bit of experimentation and augmentation on his body in the quick flashbacks in “Winter Soldier,” and as levdrakon mentioned, the other Winter Soldiers also have superhuman strength. In fact, that Bucky took a beating from one of them and didn’t have his chest cavity crushed in the process indicates that he at least has physical resilience way above the norm.
I think Bucky’s metal arm is actually only there because his entire left arm was ripped off when he fell down the mountain (or at least was so mangled that they had to amputate it, Robocop-style). The metal arm clearly has even greater strength than his remaining organic arm, but his organic bits are also clearly super-strong in and of themselves.
He’s a russian knock off of captain america with a cybernetic arm to make up the difference, he’s not just a dude with a metal arm.
Even still, whenever you see cybernetics in movies you just have to sort of let it go and not think about the fact that “catching a car with your robot arm” just means that you have a big bloody hole where the robot arm was once attached to your body.
LOL…thanks for colorfully illustrating what I was trying to say. I have a tough time forgetting this! I could never accept it with Steve Austin, the “Six Million Dollar Man”, either.
They retconned this in the TV movie about Steve Austin’s son getting bionics by saying that they also reinforced Steve’s skeleton and joints with metal to allow him to use his superstrength without ripping his arm off his body.
I think the problem is power level creep in comics. In 1940 “peak human fitness levels” was cool but before long pretty much every super hero had “peak human fitness levels” so Cap had to get stronger than that.
The movie version seems to be something like as fast as Usain Bolt, but with the stamina to sustain his top speed for miles and miles; as strong as the strongest man in the world (say, Hafthor Bjornsson), with the same extreme stamina that enables him to maintain full power through a long fight sequence; the agility of the greatest gymnast ever; etc. I’m not sure how that compares to the comics version.
Depends on who’s writing it. Generally though, the MCU version seems to be stronger and with a greater capacity for healing. It was mentioned in the first CA movie that his cells regenerate too fast to get drunk…that’s not Wolverine levels, but it’s way more than peak human. That would be like having an IV of HGH in perpetuity. He can get stronger and faster than any human ever could because his body heals the micro-tears in the muscles from exercise almost instantaneously. One assumes his bones and joints strengthen in proportion as well.
In practice, he seems to be at least as strong as Jessica Jones from the Netflix series
Or it could be joking banter between two friends and not an accurate retelling of an event.