Plus, that seems to imply that they might be coming after him for war crimes he *didn’t *commit.
[QUOTE=Steve Rogers]
When I went under, the world was at war. I wake up, they say we won. They didn’t say what we lost.
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This isn’t the country that he signed up to defend - he ‘joins’ shield only to find out its worse, as confirmed by Hydra infiltration and the general plan in the Winter Soldier - “Operation Oversight”.
[QUOTE=Steve Rogers]
Steve Rogers: Yeah, we compromised. Sometimes in ways that made us not sleep so well. But we did it so the people could be free. This isn’t freedom, this is fear.
Nick Fury: SHIELD takes the world as it is, not as we’d like it to be. It’s getting damn near past time for you to get with that program, Cap.
Steve Rogers: Don’t hold your breath.
[/QUOTE]
I got the impression from the trailer that Romanov isn’t so much against Rogers, as that she wants him to be more careful and to pick his fights better.
Like Tony, she’s a pragmatist. Steve’s the idealist.
Well, there’s all the stuff from the various TV shows that never gets directly referenced in the movies, but are still supposed to be part of the same universe. Agents of SHIELD alone introduced an entire nation of Inhumans living secretly among us - but even before that, they had story lines where it was made explicit that SHIELD had multiple prison facilities for powered criminals. Plus a ton of various Monster of the Week villains, and that’s not even getting into the Netflix shows.
But sticking strictly to the movies, all the way back in the first Iron Man movie, you had Nick Fury telling Tony that more and more people with special powers are popping up every day. You have Captain America demonstrating that there were superheroes and supervillains back in the '40s, and Ant-Man showed that that stuff was still going on in the '80s, and the Winter Soldier active throughout that entire time period, so there’s been low level super activity running around throughout the better part of the 20th century, just not visibly enough that it became public knowledge until recently. You’ve got the target list in Winter Soldier, that included names like Dr. Stephen Strange. And you’ve got that credits scene in Ant-Man where Falcon is talking with some woman on a park bench, who apparently has a whole roster of superheroes, including Spider-Man, that she can connect Sam with.
I’d also argue that both people with tech-based superpowers, and the Asgardians, are valid concerns for a registration law. Obviously, anyone can wear Tony’s armor and be Iron Man, but you can still license and register who owns or manufactures stuff like that, and then arrest anyone who’s got an unlicensed suit of power armor before they try to blow up Cleveland. And while Asgardians in Asgard aren’t affected by a US registration law, occasionally they come here for a visit, and I can see the government wanting visiting deities to register their abilities before they’re issued a visa. I mean, good luck enforcing that, but they’d still try.
Even hostile invaders, like Ultron or Maleketh, are fuel for a registration movement, if only so the government knows who it can draft to fight things like that.
So, yeah, I think there’s sufficient strangeness in the MCU at this point to justify a registration act.
Well, like fucking one goat, you commit one crime against humanity…!
Anyhoo, if Bucky and Cap are double-teaming Iron Man, why doesn’t IM just stand still and let them pound their fists into dust against him? Seriously, if that armor can survive being rammed by the wing of an F-22, and it’s the wing that gets destroyed, what are two somewhat-enhanced humans going to do against it?
Two somewhat enhanced humans weilding a shield made of an alloy that makes an F-22 wing look like tissue paper. Methinks that shield could do some serious damage to any Mark suit.
Bucky has the arm made of some kind of metal and Cap has a Shield made of vibranium that is indestructible. They can hurt him badly. Not to mention all you have to do is rip out the power pack and you can peel Tony out of the suit with a can opener. There’s a scene in the trailer where Buck is trying to do exactly that.
Well, the country he signed up to defend had Americans of Japanese descent rounded up into internment camps. So, I don’t think Cap has grounds to get all high and mighty about Superhero Registration.
Yes, but both these impressive items are being propelled by human muscle, albeit enhanced to comic-book levels. Can Cap move the shield as quickly as that F-22 was moving when it hit Stark? Sure, the shield is made of magic-tough material and its edge is thinner than the wing of an F-22, but it must be possible to do some force calculations and compare.
I realize consistency is not a comic-book hallmark, let alone a comic-book movie hallmark, but c’mon.
Because then it would be a very short movie.
I think, specifically, the explosion in the council chamber we see in the trailer - something UN-ish? Maybe that’s what drags Wakanda into things.
Also, are people forgetting exactly how Cap got started on his actual intentional superheroing career - by* defying military orders* to rescue Bucky and other soldiers.
I say “actual intentional superheroing career” because his responses to the attack just after his enhancement seemed more instinctual than intentional. Also, no costume 
Well, Bucky’s arm is propelled by mechanical muscles. If Marvel wants to say that Bucky’s made up robot arm can punch a hole in Tony’s made up robot suit, I don’t see where anyone else can object.
Cap’s shield might be a tougher sell, but superhero fights don’t generally take place in an empty field. Cap’s a master tactician and seasoned commando. He knows how to use terrain to his advantage to overcome a superior foe, and the value of bringing the right tool for the job. He’s not going to just rely on throwing his shield at him.
What struck me about Cap in Avengers 2 is that unlike everybody else he took one look at his worst fear - that he doesn’t know how to come home from the war - and essentially said “fine, I just won’t”. I was hoping that was going to be the emotional setup for Civil War, that this guy can’t handle not having a war to fight. (Obviously they aren’t going that way with it.)
As a comic reader I liked Winter Soldier but felt they didn’t earn that storyline at all - it has a lot more emotional impact to not be the only man out of time if you were for a while. Bucky coming back matters more if Bucky was one of the two DC characters for decades who were NEVER coming back. Sigh.
I think Hawkeye said it best in Age of Ultron:
“Okay, look, the city is flying, we’re fighting an army of robots, and I have a bow and arrow. None of this makes any sense.”
It’s easy to take that line as meta, God knows.
But it’s also possible to take it as commentary on the world that Hawkeye and the others find themselves in. While there may have been meta-human activity over the decades in recent years things in the MCU-Earth have gotten truly insane. Like the best horror, it’s been discovered that the world-as-believed has little relation to the world-that-is. People are going about their lives and suddenly there’s a fucking god out of an obscure mythology doing what gods aren’t supposed to do: proving he exists!
That’s some mind-blowing shit right there. How many temples to Thor, Odin et al do you think have popped up in the MCU over the last few years?
Top that with the return of a comic book legend in Captain America. Sure, you’re grandfather might have talked about him as a legend but they did that to Patton and Audie Murphy and Sgt York and such. Who cares? Suddenly he’s there?
The Manhattan gets destroyed? The one of these meta-humans revealed that the government of the world had been suborned and was going to attempt to kill and control everyone through lethal force? Then some country in bumfuck eastern Europe gets annihilated by these hugely powerful beings?
Man on the street is having a significant case of the WTFs? And he’s going to insist that the government DO SOMETHING!
The registration act makes sense to attempt. Implementation appears to be an ongoing problem. But the nature of the world government in the MCU is - at best - vaguely defined.
It cannot get here soon enough. Holy moley.
Oh man. I am on Fanboy Defcon Level 1. Totally intense but still room for the Funny at the end.
“Underoos!!”
That trailer has me ***pumped ***for this movie. I had to go find my 7 year old and show him. He’s way too young to watch the movies, so he lives vicariously through me. As bedtime stories, he has me give synopses of the movies. He can’t wait to get the synopsis on this one.