Captain America, the first Avenger

You’re right! I knew he looked familiar!

One thing that appealed to me was Hydra’s vehicles (The helicopter-ish thing, the giant tank, etc.) Those were all based on actual designs that the real-world Germans had on the drawing board, but never got around to building. Some of the stuff that looked the most like a bad comic book, was actually based in the real world.

Speaking of Hydra’s vehicles, I thought that Red Skull’s car was very cool looking. Was it based on a real car?

Probably the most ridiculously hyperbolic statement I’ve ever read, or else you’ve seen damn few movies in your life.

pretty much every second of the movie is taken from a watered-down american action formula, nevermind that the dialog was barely more nuanced than a chorus of car horns in a traffic jam and the acting was sub-community theatre level (did anybody else want to laugh when agent whatever is trying to cry as rogers’ plane was going down?) - add to that an undercurrent of classic american misogyny and it’s either a negationist masterpiece or (more likely) an unadulterated insult to a moviegoer’s intelligence

seriously, stupid popcorn movies are fine sometimes but when your entire script is one-liners from other movies well that’s when i reach for my revolver

Welp, I hope you like The Smurfs better.

i really should just stop going to movies… nothing’s ever gonna top garfield in 3D

Ah, so it’s sarcasm, then. Never mind.

Tube? I don’t remember that!

The camera panned past him pretty quickly - there’s a shot here.

Cool, I’m glad I wasn’t hallucinating.

I liked it overall. The one thing that took me out of the movie was the makeup of Cap’s commandos, which seemed like an awfully interracial bunch for 1944.

So, who else sat through the credits and was jazzed to see Hawkeye?

True, but you didn’t see either in the movie. It’s a decent movie, but how can anyone claim reasonable character development?

At the beginning, Steve Rogers was a weak guy willing to stand up to bullies and never back down.

At the end, Steve Rogers was a strong guy willing to stand up to bullies and never back down.

The only “development” was physical.

I suppose you could argue that all that USO type stuff counts as development, but it felt forced and didn’t develop the character so much as delay him. It’s not like he needed additional impetus to save his friend, carry on the legacy of the scientist, or help defeat the greatest evil the world has ever known.

And it’s not like he ever had any moments of self-doubt or anything. Boo friggin’ hoo, his friend died. Did he spend more than 10 seconds dealing with that? He always wanted to mix it up in the trenches and be a good guy. He just needed the opportunity. How is that development?

I sat through the credits knowing that there was a scene after, and this has to have been the longest credit roll I have ever seen.

I pretty much liked it, although the plot (what plot?) seriously just got in the way. I mean Red Skull’s motivation was…power? blowing up random cities? bringing down the dollar? Never really got that. But who cares. I just went to see Chris Evan’s pretty, pretty chin, and I got plenty of that.

One thing that drove me batty was that the logo of Hydra did not look like Hydra at all, and every time they showed it, I was like “That’s an octopus!” Just look at it:

Hydra Logo

Yeah, it is supposed to be a skull with Hydra heads. It looks like an octopus.

Oh, and the “HAIL HYDRA!” Just cracked me up. But I’m not sure who stole the show more, Tommy Lee Jones, or Hugo Weaving. There was totally a scene where I expected him to turn around and say “One does not simply walk into Mordor.”

Favorite throw-away line (non-Tommy Lee Jones category):

Red Skull (tossing a key to Dr Zola): Not one scratch, Doctor.

My favorite was definitely a Tommy Lee Jones quote:

“I thought you could use him, like a gerbil or something.”

That’s pretty much the old-school HYDRA logo. It’s always been a skull with tentacles. You can blame that on the comics, not the movie. I think the original artists were confusing hydra with kraken, myself.

Here’s an old-school HYDRA splash page, with the good Baron himself wearing the tentacles.

Jonathan Hickman recently did an update to the Hydra logo for his “Secret Warriors” series that improves on the original.

There’s a certain charm to the old-school stuff. I do like the Hickman version. But I have a soft spot for the 70s/80s Marvel/DC designs. It’s my childhood. :slight_smile:

I’d seen that, but I wasn’t familiar enough with the history of the original Torch…I though it was an early prototype of Iron Man armor. :wink: