Obviously never saw Howard The Duck.
Yeah, that was painfully long. I think Hawkeye had a non-costumed cameo in Thor–the sniper trying to protect Mjolnir when Thor goes to reclaim it.
And here, I thought the mechanical man of the future (or whatever it was called) was just an example of the sort of thing that shows up at expos. I’ve seen similar displays at shows in the real world (of course, they’re always just a glorified puppet with someone behind the scenes controlling it and answering the questions and so on).
That was, indeed, him. ISTR that he’s referred to as “Agent Barton”, or something like that, during that scene.
Eh, I like the tentacles, but the skull should be stylized, too. The realistic (if not fully rendered) skull doesn’t go well with the flat, stylized tentacles.
Also, I like to think these guys influenced the design…
(That, FTR, is the second hit when you google ‘hydra’…the first is the Lernaean Hydra, and the third is Marvel’s HYDRA.)
I always thoght of S.P.E.C.T.R.E from the James Bond films.
In the original comic books, Captain America, after his supersoldier treatment, was inserted in an Army platoon as an ordinary private. And, Clark-Kent-fashion, Private Steve Rogers was the camp f----up, the one the sarge was always yelling at and sending to the guardhouse. Then, when unusual danger threatens, off comes his khakis and he fights in tights. And the sarge is also always yelling about his mysterious disappearances. Fantasy wish-fulfillment for the enlisted man. They should’ve kept it that way.
I also wondered how they were going to work in Bucky as a pre-teen sidekick. And they wimped out on that like I expected. But did they have to make him older than Cap?! :rolleyes:
While they worked in some comic moments, this was not a comedy. What you describe could not possibly be taken seriously. You could maybe do this that as a TV series, but not a movie.
I don’t recall them saying Bucky was older than Cap. Being taller is not the same.
Sgt. Duffy.
Christ, I’m a geek.
He’s a Nazi occultist who considers himself the epitome of the post-human Superman Nietschze and Hitler could only dream of, and therefore destined to rule over the human race by virtue of his superiority.
And you need FURTHER motivation from him?
Phillistine.
Snark aside, I had a hard time figuring this out, too, and I’m familiar with the comics.
Based on just what was in the movie, you’d think he was a Hitler worshipper who decided to ditch the Nazis for…what exactly?
If you were paying a ton of attention (more than you should for an action flick), you could piece together the Teutonic superiority stuff, but it wasn’t immediately clear. On the plus side, it’s an action flick, the Red Skull is obviously the bad guy, so why does he need much motivation for doing bad things?
I don’t know, it seemed pretty clear to me. Like, when he’s fighting Captain America, he’s not really bothered by the fact that Cap is trying to kill him. Rather, he’s bothered by Cap wearing a flag and being loyal to a nation of mere mortals. He feels that he’s squandering his destiny.
I saw the movie, not familiar with the comic - a couple of things struck me as being hard to swallow - I know, it’s a comic book. But even so.
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As a superhero, Captain America just seems underpowered compared to other superheros in his group. I mean, Thor is a freaking god, and Capitan America is - really big and strong? Is that his only superpower?
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The shield is cool, but there appears no reason why only Captain America can use it. Also, it seems to act like a boomerang, with no explaination given.
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I get that Hydra is a splinter group of super-baddies that split off from the Nazis and want to take over the world, presumably so that the uberman Red Skull can rule it. Yet they seem to have stuff all over occupied Nazi Europe. Why aren’t the real Nazis pissed at them, after they vaporized a few Nazi generals? The Nazis are just never mentioned again, and Hydra goes on its merry way.
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In general, the baddies seemed underpowered as well. It is hard to be scared of the tech where hundreds of guards armed with it are overcome by prisoners. The blaster thingies looked cool, but seemed more or less as good as regular guns.
That said, I liked the fact it was a period piece.
As I recall from my comic book days (God, has it really been 40 years?) Cap’s fame was based more on his fighting skills & leadership ability than his physical strength. I guess he’s kind of like a juiced Batman - able to take on stronger opponents & usually come out on top.
In the movie, he’s chosen because he has a good attitude - he hates bullies and always stands up to them.
He isn’t really depicted, prior to his transformation, as a tactical genius or a great fighter. Does the serum make him a super genius at fighting as well? Because he isn’t shown as having any particular training at fighting skills.
Umm.. Yeah. He’s not even supposed to be SUPERSTRONG. He’s supposed to be “peak human.” That’s a big part of Cap as a character. Other than Hawkeye he’s the weakest dude in the room in an average Avengers meeting but he can still tell a God and a Genius what to do.
In the comics it is just supposed to be Cap’s skill that allows him to use the shield better than anyone else–for a short time they had the idea that he basically had a recall device in his glove, but they dropped it. I kind of wish they had used this in the movie, but also in the movie Bucky uses the shield effectively so its not something unique to Cap. Man clearly likes using shields…garbage can lids… car doors…etc..
I agree.. this was weird.
I agree… the laser guns were cool, but didn’t really seem like a war-changer that they were set-up to be.
Right, the serum increases his strength, stamina, reflexes, & probably mental acuity as well. Plus, in the comics, Cap went on many missions, so by the time he goes into deep freeze he has a lot of fighting experience.
That kind of makes him the Marvel supersoldier version of DC’s Mister Terrific. 
Sure, it was clear to you.
Just making the point that it wasn’t immediately clear to everybody.
In our little group, it was only the comic book readers that actually understood the Red Skull’s motivation and everybody else was simply entertained with the action set pieces. When he started out as a Nazi slaughtering a village, they didn’t need any real backstory. Nazi = bad guy. Who needs more than that?
The serum enhanced him in every way, including intelligence (though he was already reasonably clever). See the scene after he wakes up, for instance: Would you have recognized and remembered a single specific baseball game from a couple of years previous, with a whole bunch of war and other distracting things in between?
And the boomeranging isn’t actually a property of the shield itself-- Cap’s just so good that he can get all the ricochets just right. Anyone can use the shield as a shield (though of course, good reflexes help there, too), but only Cap can use it as an effective weapon.