Do you think it’s immoral? No, no, I’m serious. Oh, I’m not interested in what I think. That’s a boring subject. So tell me. Please. I find your views on morality really fascinating. That’s a gorgeous necklace by the way. Oh…you don’t? Well of course it goes without saying we wouldn’t behave that way, but we don’t want to dictate the behavior of others, now, do we? No, no, it’s healthy, it’s natural, we’ve just matured, yes, and don’t want to be bothered with the “scene” any longer. That’s so twenty-something. It was fun while it lasted, though, wasn’t it? What? What’s that smile? Are you blushing? You’re blushing, I can see it! Someone has a story! Oh, c’mon, tell me! I’m dying to hear it! NO! I’ll tell no one, I swear! Would you like another…waiter, two more glasses of Shiraz please! Now where were we…
that’s a good question, In the Biblical context, I’d say no. But I have friends and family who are not belivers in God who I would count on to do the right thing (as I see it) before some self-professed Christians I’ve known.
Great, now I’m going to be bugged by this question all weekend.
I guess the only real answer is that only God knows for sure.
I’m sorry, but I don’t think I understand what you are saying. How would you propose to have any child (zygote/embryo/fetus/what-have-you) consent to be conceived? I’m sure there are a certain number of people who, for whatever reason, genuinely wish they had never been born; unfortunately, however, medical technology has not evolved to the point at which we may inquire of a sperm and egg whether they would like to unite and produce a human being.
Can you clarify your position here? Do you mean to say that two married (or monogamous in a sexual relationship?) people, regardless of their character and how good as parents they might be, are more entitled to have a child than two unmarried people, who might very well be nicer/kinder/better parents? Is this a variant of the no-gay-adoption argument: “every child deserves a mother and a father”? Do you truly believe that all children conceived as a result of casual sex will be “emotionally unsupported”?
The immoral part come about in the casual creation of a child. We know how children are made, and having sex without considering a supportive enviroment for the child if one were to show up is the immoral part.
Now, like anything else you can have exceptions in ‘godless’ morality. Like if a couple is married and the husband has lost his ‘member’ in a hybrid car accident. They agree that she can had sex causally and if a child is conceived that they will raise him as their own.
Not the the child must consent, but the parents have a moral responsibility to be able to provide a stable emotional enviroment for the child. Casual sex sort of means that this in not the case.
More morally repsonsible IMHO.
Gay sex acts do not result in children, nor do hetro anal/oral sex and I have excluded them from my arugment.
Well one can argue that by definition casual sex does not consider the emotional support of a child.
I don’t understand your point. Could you explain further? I was married for ten years. I can tell you from experience, we were not thinking of the emotional and physical well being of our children when we had sex. Likewise, could you explain what being single or married has to do with acting morally toward an unborn child?
Casual creation or no, the moral part comes about in doing what is right for the three lives affected. I don’t know how to break this to you, but it’s very rare that married people check the woman’s fertility calendar and say “ok, the time is right, let us now create a child.” Yes, it happens, most frequently with couples who have fertility problems, but more often than not, that was probably the night mom and dad got a bit tipsy and ground a hole into the floor. This being GD, I will try to refrain from becoming any more graphic. Most people do not like to admit their parents even have sex, much less enjoy it.
