Cats eating kitten chow, and vice versa

This has been bugging me for a while, popped back into my head while reading the ‘evil kitten’ thread here. I have two cats, a ten-year-old female and a five-month-old female. They’re finally getting along, as the kitten has calmed down to merely ‘hyperactive’ from ‘rocketing furball of destruction’, and our older cat has consented to sharing the house with her. My concern is their nutrition. I have kitten food, and I have adult cat food. The kitten food goes into the new bowl I got for the kitten, and the cat food into the bowl which has been the property of the cat for many a year, and of which she was violently protective when the little one first joined the household. And I go back to look, and the kitten is eating the cat food, and the cat the kitten food. I thought maybe it was a power struggle over the choice of bowls, and switched where I put them. Nope-now the kitten goes to her bowl & eats the cat food, while the cat goes to the kitten’s bowl for her meal. Aargh! I can’t think of any good way to get a cat to eat food she doesn’t like, and I’m starting to wonder if it even matters-this has been going on for a month, and neither seems to be having a problem. So-my questions are: (1) does it really matter which food they’re eating, and (2) if so, how can I get them to do so?

Thanks, you Teeming Millions!

It does matter what they’re eating. Kittens and cats have different nutritional needs, as well as different nutritional no-nos. I am not a vet, but I do urge you to ask one as far as the particulars go.

As for the HOW of getting them to cooperate, I might consider feeding them at different times and in different rooms. Since cats will self-feed (not gorge themselves like dogs will), this can be pretty tricky, I know. And damned inconvenient, too. However, until the baby is ready for big-kitty food, you might have to.

I think one of the differences is higher calories in kitten chow. So the older cat may get fat. The younger one is old enough to eat regular food, although the cat food folks would much prefer that you feed kitten chow for a year. If the older cat has no weight problem, I’d mix the dry foods and let them have at it. All this is assuming that you are feeding decent quality food and not generic stuff.
Good luck keeping them in their own bowls, I’ve never made that work!!!

SCSimmons, I retract my entire post with apologies! I did not note, as dragonlady did, the age of the kitten in question. And I second her suggestion to mix the foods.

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Well, I’m not a vet, but since we also have a new kitten in the house, I thought I’d tell you how I worked it. We keep the older cat’s food off the floor so that it doesn’t get infested with ants. When I noticed the kitty jumping up on the shelf next to it to eat, I put a bowl of the kitten food right next to the older cats food. So while there is still room on the shelf for the kitten to sit, it can’t reach across his food to get to the other, so he just eats what’s in front of him. True the older cat still eats the kitty food, but I’m not worried too much about that at this point.

Good luck.

My cats, including my new kitten, switch bowls all the time. It’s very annoying - everybody wants to eat everybody else’s food, even when it’s the exact same thing. I have to stand over them while they eat and make sure everyone stays at the correct place. When they start switching, I pick up the offenders and plop them back in front of their own bowls and say, “Eat! Eat!” This works pretty well for about 3 minutes, at which time they start switching again. Sigh.

Thanks to everyone for their replies! The mixing foods suggestion sounds good-I’ll give that a try. Missbunny, I know exactly what you’re talking about-I was about to tear my hair out! The kitten’s dish is in the laundry room, I finally tried shutting her in there at mealtimes. Until the day I forgot to let her out-aside from the ticked-off kitten, both litter boxes are in the laundry room, and the big sister made her displeasure clear by finding a nice clean pile of clothes to use instead. :slight_smile: The older cat doesn’t have a weight problem-she was getting a little plump before we got the kitten, but she lost about a pound and a half in the first month of having a hyperactive playmate. Since the baby did eat mostly kitten food until she was about three and a half months old (when the older cat decided to give up defending her dish, and then found out that she liked kitten food after all), she should be just fine.

Thanks again, everyone!

For the record, about a month ago I met a scrawny little cat. It looke like it might just be a few months old. It turns out the cat was 21 years old. I asked the owner what he feeds it and he said that the cat has never eaten any food other than Kitten Chow.

I am not a vet either, but this topic has been addressed among dog owners who have large-boned dogs.

Puppy chow (and I’m going to assume kitty chow) has additional calcium and other things that are formulated for the skeletal growth (bones, connective tissue, etc) that happens in puppyhood. An animal that is not growing wouldn’t use those nutrients, and the excess could be bad. Maybe hard on their kidneys? I dunno. For that reason, I think it’s worth the effort to keep your grown-up cat out of the kitten food.

We have the old cat/new kittens situation along with 2 dogs. Our two kittens eat everything, old cat’s food, dog’s food, kitten chow, bugs in the yard, bowl of grapes on the counter, lick dirty dishes in the sink, you name it. The old cat seems to prefer kitten food, so we mixed them in all the cat’s bowls.
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We feed our dogs a high quality, high protein food. I know the guaranteed analysis differs slightly from kitten chow, but I don’t think it will harm the kittens to eat it as it composes less than 10% of their diet.
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I guess I have been lucky. I have had many different cats and not one ever overate, like the dog.

We gave it dry cat food and Tender Vittles (moist out of a bag) it would eat both of them. We kept the bowls full. It ate what it wanted and never was fat or overate.

The dog ate dry dog food so all the cats would do was play hockey with it.

Well, FWIW, here is my take on the cat food situation. I’ve been breeding pedigreed cats for 7 years, plus worked as a vet asst. for 3 years. I am FAR from being an expert on feline nutrition, but at least have spent years arguing about it with other breeders!

Re: the kitten food/cat food problem. What brand of food are you feeding? If it is Iams, Science Diet, Eukanuba, or one of the other premium brands of food, you can raise a kitten on it from weaning time. I don’t have the links handy at this time, but at PubMed I found several abstracts of articles saying that most kitten food actually had far more calcium and other nutrients than kittens needed; if you read the labels of many cat foods carefully, you will often see that they say “Complete diet for cats and kittens.” I’ve raised many kittens on Iams or Eukanuba adult food and they all did splendidly.

However, if you are feeding a standard food like Purina Cat Chow or Whiskas, you might want to at least mix it with Kitten Chow for the extra nutrition and easy digestibility. You can feed straight Kitten Chow to both the adult and the kitten, but you will need to keep an eye on the adult cat’s weight.

I highly recommend the premium foods (personal preference Iams and Eukanuba). Although they appear to be much more expensive, if you will compare the recommended feeding amounts you will see that the cats need only about 1/2 to 1/4 premium food as they do the ‘regular’ food. That’s because the companies making premium foods have researched and refined their recipes to provide the highest digestibility with the most balanced nutrition. They also guarantee their ingredients - that is, they don’t shop around for the cheapest bid on, say, chicken meal - they use guaranteed quality ingredients from suppliers they trust, regardless of the current price. This is also one reason premium foods are so expensive!

(One reason this is important - several years ago a bunch of dogs died because a pet food company unknowingly used a grain product (corn? I can’t remember) that was infected with a deadly fungus.)

Anyway, judge a cat food by it’s ingredient list. Cats are obligate carnivores and have a very short digestive tract designed for digesting nearly pure meat-based protein. Ingredients that are hard to digest, like the cellulose in grains, is mostly filler that just goes in one end and out the other. (Another advantage to premium foods - less food intake + higher digestibility = less stool and less odor in the litter box.)

Most ‘standard’ cat foods will have corn as their first ingredient - do you think corn is really a suitable diet for an obligate carnivore? It’s been broken down so that cats can digest SOME of it as it passes through, and bunches of necessary nutrients have been added, but basically it is a vegetable diet modified to make it edible for cats.

A premium food will have some type of meat listed as the first ingredient, and often the second and third ingredients! This may just be “meat meal”, but at least it IS meat. Preferably it will be from a single named source (like chicken) rather than the generic ‘meat’, which can be pretty much anything. The first ingredient in Eukanuba cat food is simply ‘chicken’ - the natural meat content is so high, and so unaffected by their processing, that they don’t even have to add a taurine supplement to the mix. Needless to say, meat is more expensive than corn, hence the higher price.

Purina Kitten Chow used to be more of a ‘standard’ food, but they changed their recipe a couple of years ago (?) and the first ingredient listed is now chicken. It’s a much better product than it used to be, and I can feed it to my cats in a pinch (regular food not delivered) without causing an outbreak of diarrhea and vomiting.

Oh, and if you’re feeding one of those ‘store brand’ foods, like Kozy Kitten or Special Kitty - don’t. You might as well just grind up money and feed it to your cat, because you are wasting it, based on the level of nutrition per the amount of food eaten.

Thanks, coosa! They’re both eating Purina right now-the older cat’s been eating that for quite a while & liked it. The kitten turned up her nose at Science Diet ages ago, I got some other premium brand for her when I picked up her litter box, food dish, scratching post, toys, etc. at PetsMart, and she liked it-but I couldn’t find it at the grocery store & didn’t want to drive all the way to PetsMart just for a bag of food … she seemed to like the Purina Kitten Chow until her older ‘sister’ started letting her eat the grownup cat food from her bowl. :slight_smile: I think I’ll take the time, though-I’m hitting the bottom of the first bag of Purina Kitten Chow (the grownup eats more than the kitten does :-), so I’ll run by today or tomorrow and get the ‘good stuff’ again. (I can’t remember what brand it was, but I’ll know it when I see it.) Hopefully, that’ll help.

Thanks again!

Oh yeah-and that also explains why the kitten’s litter box has been filling up so much faster lately. :slight_smile:

I have noticed with my three kits a possible solution to the feeding bowl swapping conundrum.

I have one of those three level play platforms, it has a hidey box at the bottom and the top of the box is the next level up, then there is a platform supported by posts wrapped in coiled rope for scratching purposes, from which dangles a few things I strung up and which they seem to like taking the occasional swipe at.

I’ve found that if I use a fairly small bowl then only one cat at a time can get it’s head in, and by putting a bowl plus a hungry cat on each level it doesn’t seem to occur to them to swap around until they have emptied the contents of their own bowl, by which time they are all empty.

I guess the non-swapping is because they can’t see the other two while they are eating, but it seems to work, my bet is that this will only work when the levels are directly above one another.

I dunno, casdave. I feed them in different rooms. Kitten sniffs at her bowl in the laundry room, realizes it’s kitten food, and runs to the kitchen to see if there’s something better in the other bowl. Crossing paths with the cat, who’s doing the same thing. If they’re both unusually hungry (eg. I’m feeding them an hour later than usual, for some reason), they’ll nibble at their own food for a minute or so, then it’s off to check the other bowl for goodies.

Maybe if I moved the cat’s bowl to an upstairs bedroom … naah, I’m just going to mix the types. I don’t think the older cat is going to get fat, the little one is still giving her more exercise than she really wants. :slight_smile: