And right here we have proof that the Clintons’ smear campaign worked.
There’s not a single thing in here that’s true. Nothing.
Keep digging, though. I hope you like the hole the Democrats will be in in 2018 if you keep buying the Oligarchs’ filth and they keep losing elections.
I swear to god, I have no idea what it will take for some of you people to open your eyes and see that the Clinton way is what keeps losing.
Obama beat her in 2008 because he offered a departure from the status quo (even if he turned out to be just as bad). He won again in 2012 because people still believed he was trying to make a difference and the only thing holding him back was Republican opposition.
But with Clinton’s BFF Debbie Wasserman Schultz leading the Party for midterm elections in 2010 and 2014, running establishment candidates all across the country, we lost even more ground.
And now, when they propped up an actual Clinton – not just her ideologies, but she, herself – the country rejected her again. Soundly.
And I don’t care about the popular vote. That’s only a result of the major city centers in the biggest states with the largest concentration of people in them. The vast majority of the country said no. Loudly and clearly.
The Clintons’ Third Way is dead. As well it should be; it was poison.
It’s fascinating how much you sound exactly like those you rail against.
Remember this?
Bernie and/or his Progressive successor will need more than the current batch of Bernie supporters to become president, too. If berating and scolding didn’t work to convince you, it’s not going to work to convince them, either.
I understand that it’s important for the Hillary worshippers to sooth their damaged egos by claiming that Hillary received more national/total votes than Trump, but that count has never, ever, been the deciding factor when it comes to deciding the winner of a Presidential election. And Team Hillary was well aware of that fact even if her devoted followers aren’t. Hillary failed to reach even the minimum number of votes required to be declared POTUS. Sucks to be Hillary.
This is good. You’re starting to get the idea. Now you need to convince the DNC, Team Hillary, and the LSM to stop denigrating the very voters they need(ed) in order to elect a Democrat President. Or not.
It may be a tough job since I suspect that many Bernie supporters, Republicans, conservatives, and independents already ignore the chastising from the Democrat collective.
This is the delusional nonsense that won the race for Trump. Bernie progressives got so excited for him that they vapidly gulped down the worst drek from the RW media machine.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. The things you’re saying are colored by internalizing misinformation. Ranting about *the oligarchs *isn’t substantive policy, it’s shit you’re saying that sounds cool. Clinton wasn’t perfect, but she was better than Bernie. Bernie wouldn’t be able to get shit done, Clinton had a shot to keep us improving. But because of the kind of horseshit you’re promulgating above, we got Trump walking us back a decade.
I was walking down the street, and an OLIGARCH jumped out of the bushes at me. I was only able to ward him off with a Bernie bobble-head I keep secreted in my love pocket.
Bernie supporters weren’t listening to the Trump campaigners. They watched the DNC and Team Hillary submarine Bernie’s campaign. Some of them may have chosen to vote for Hillary. Others may have chosen to vote for Trump, Johnson, or just stay home.
You think Hillary is cool and that’s fine. Unfortunately for you, Hillary couldn’t get the job done.
From the general sequence of exchanges in this thread I think I see it likely that by the time of 2018 midterms even if the voters are by then pissed off at Don and Mike and Paul and Reince my party’s main offering is still going to be “we’re not THEM”. Because we’ll still be mostly dedicated to getting on each other’s faces as to who was more deluded and whose fault is it.
I supported Bernie in the primary, because I hoped it signaled that the US was ready to step into the first world.
I like Bernie, much like I’d probably like Jesus. His fans are the ones causing the problems.
Bernie wasn’t the problem (although he fed the persecution misinformation by not addressing it, IMHO). The problem is people on the left mindlessly accepting the misinformation campaign of the right. It’s bad enough that the RW is under its sway.
Boo hoo. Your irrelevant posts about the popular vote miss the point. Which is to win electoral votes. Not popular votes. This is like crying you can’t castle in checkers but you can in chess. Different games with different rules and victory conditions.
Um, no. Clinton was fine policy wise. Charisma wise she’s a bit of a dud. Free trade and pro growth policies are wise. Isolationism is not. But carry on, it’s good to see a political house divided.
That’s odd. I see Obama joining Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan on a world tour playing golf and chasing women.
Obama recently failed to make the case that people should vote for Hillary because Trump was a so-called clown. He won’t have the bully pulpit of the Presidency to boost his image after he leaves office. Figurehead? No. Spokesmodel? Yeah.
I sure hope she wouldn’t. Even if you are trying to call out “tone policing,” it’s not inherently sexist. As a feminist, she should know better.
Not that anyone is tone policing you. No one has said you are wrong because of how rude you are being. The way you sound like the right wing is in your embracing of conspiracy level thinking. You believe the Republican smear campaign against the Clintons.
And you are insisting that going further to the left and away from the center is the way to go, the same way Republicans kept saying that moving to the right was the way to go. It didn’t work for them, and it won’t work for us.
Clinton lost because of working class whites in three states. Going further left would not have won them over. The “third way,” which just means being more moderate, is the only viable option in an increasingly divided electorate. The swing voters in swing states decide elections, and they are moderates.
Many of those people were fanatically impressed by Bernie Sanders’s populism. Many of them wanted a far more leftist tack on economic matters and weren’t impressed by Clinton. I wouldn’t assume it’s as simple as “they’re moderates”, because they just voted for Trump.
See y’all in 2018. You’ll find out I’m right again. Whether or not Democrats pick up any seats or continue to lose will depend on how many of you start listening.
