The Scrivener writes:
> I’ve come across a reference to an intense mutual loathing
> going back to the '60’s (IIRC) shared by Peter Sellars (the comic
> actor, not the contemporary theater director) and someone
> else, but the name escapes me.
Peter Sellers was the actor.
Peter Sellars is the theater director.
regarding American History X and Ed Norton vs. Tony Kaye:
ed norton did exercise his considerable influence to get scenes recut which seems to have featured him more. i have a slight problem with this, but i think it’s an amazing movie, so i have a hard time complaining about it…
anyway, director tony kaye apparently disowned the film, saying that he wanted no part of it anymore… as a result, the director should’ve been credited as “alan smithee” which is the listing according to directors guild of america for directors who do not want to be credited(incidentally, michael mann is so against editing his films for television, that he is credited as ‘alan smithee’ whenever ‘heat’ is televised edited… but i digress)
anyway, according to dga by-laws, if a director disowns a film, he is required to not release why he disowned it in interviews, television, etc. tony kaye promptly went out and told anyone who’d listen to him about why he disavowed the film, and as such, was fined by the directors guild…
and one more thing about ed norton:
he ruffled a couple of feathers while doing the press junket for “the score” because he would frequently say that he had rewritten several of the scenes in the movie. when this quote was taken out of context, it sounded like he’d made the whole damn movie himself. however, in context, best explained on an interview on jon stewart’s daily show, he explained that none of the cast was particularly thrilled with the script when they got it, and so he, robert deniro and frank oz all tweaked the script for better result and then would bring the changes to each other for advice and suggestions. and if i do say so myself, it was worth it, because i really enjoy that film… but i digress… those ruffled feathers on that film were a misunderstanding(with the exception of the whole marlon brando/frank oz debate, which other people have already explained perfectly…)
oh, and for the record, mel gibson isn’t homophobic… yeah, he said some stupid things in that spanish interview, which i believe he later apologized for… he’s a strict roman catholic(so am i, tho not as strict, so let’s not turn this into a catholic bashing forum :-)), and so that’s not all that popular in hollywood, and a lot of catholic dogma does not believe in birth control, and let’s just throw the whole thing about the church being against the gay community out the window… the church standing(even tho, as many of us know, this is misconstrued and misrepresented but many people, catholic and noncatholic alike) is that homosexuals and heterosexuals are called to live chaste and holy lives irregardless of their sexual orientation… so anyway, there’s your worthless dogmatic and cinematic trivia for the day…
stepping off my soapbox now 
john
I KNOW that Cheech Marin was Johnson’s co star but Chong made an appearance. I didn’t watch the series and only caught the final few scenes of this episode but I got the impression that on the show, Cheech’s character and Chong’s character were old friends who sort of “made up”. They were laughing and stuff. So I’m wondering if that was an intended parallel. Are they still sort of ad odds with each other?
The most relevant definition of chaste for this purpose would, I’m guessing, be 2.b. from dictionary.com:
“Abstaining from unlawful sexual intercourse.”
(Since he has 21 kids, I’m guessing Mel Gibson isn’t celibate- if he is, then Mrs. Gibson has some ‘splainin’ to do.)
Since any sexual intercourse between two men or two women is unlawful to the Catholic church, this is saying that all gay men should be celibate, even those in committed relationships. To me, being told that I can’t have sex due to my demographic is homophobic, just as if I said blacks shouldn’t be allowed to vote would be racist, regardless of whether or not said belief hails from my religion.
But, YMMV.
If he was saying that there should be a law that gay men should be celibate, then I’d agree. However, just giving his own personal views on the topic is harmless. Not everybody can agree on anything. He’s not being malicious. Just because he thinks you are commiting a sin doesn’t make him homophic. He’s not saying you should be put to death, only that he thinks God doesn’t like what you do.
Jesus, aren’t people allowed to have differing opinions without being called names?
hey
if anyone would like to discuss the mel gibson/homosexuality controversy in private, drop me an email at 97schlickenm@cua.edu if you so desire, i’m not sure it’s relavent here anymore… my post was in regards to the topic at hand, and i want to apologize for getting the topic off its due course… this section is for the arts and society, certainly not for discussions of religion and morality and it was my bad opening up the discussion a bit too much… oy, between liking james joyce and explaining canon law, i’ve seemed to stir up a little controversy on the boards… mea culpa… so anyway, back to hatred between stars…
didn’t eminem and everlast bash each other? i know they both showed up in each others songs…
john
By remarkable coincidence, it was just announced that Cheech & Chong are reuniting for another movie.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=799&e=1&cid=794&u=/eo/20030131/en_movies_eo/11213
I understand that Rae Dawn Chong (who wrote her father’s script in the above movie) and her ex- C. Thomas Howell are two people you wouldn’t seat in the same room= nasty divorce.
Another split couple that openly loathe each other: Dean Cain and Samantha Torres. Amongst other things, she sought sole custody of their son based on his drug use and lifestyle.
Why did I think all my life that Richard Pryor was Rae Dawn Chong’s father? Makes much more sense being Tommy Chong.
Richard’s most famous daughter is Rain Pryor; her biggest gig to date was Head of the Class. She also got press for stints in rehab and I believe she’s been in the gay/lesbian press.
Why did he leave, anyway? He was hilarious!
BTW: According to the IMDB, Mel Gibson has 7 children. (Or does he have 14 other children besides the ones with his wife? :eek: )
Not sure if anything preceded this, but in Lawrence Grobel’s wicked (look it up; it’s truly brilliant) 1980 Playboy interview with Brando, Marlon took several jibes at Burt’s “acting” ability.
zombie or no
very funny reunion, in a breakup plot, on the Simpsons in 2011.
I love how things change after so many years. Sammy Hagar rejoined Van Halen in 2004 for a tour and recorded some new songs before leaving them again. David Lee Roth has rejoined Van Halen on a recent album and a tour.
Also, Cheech and Chong working together again.
Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepard famously feuded with each other while filming Moonlighting. This was even lampshaded on an episode of the show Riptide, which had Shepard and Willis lookalikes as the costars of a TV show who kept trading insults.
“I hope you burn motherfucker, you deserve to die!” – Hit Em Up, by Tupac. But honestly, who hasn’t wanted to scream that in someone’s face after feeling betrayed? Tupac just let it out.
A related Tupac incident, but certainly not at the level of “loathing”, was related by 'Pac during his appearance on the Arsenio Hall show. At the time his movie Poetic Justice had just been released, starring Tupac and Janet Jackson. It’s a fantastic movie by the way, and everyone should see it. Anyway, Tupac told Arsenio that someone, whether it was Janet or one of her “people”, told the director to make Tupac take an AIDS test before shooting a love scene between their characters. Tupac’s response was that if he actually got to make love to Janet Jackson, he would willingly take five AIDS tests, but he wasn’t going to do it if all they were gonna was do was film a love scene. A stalemate ensued and the love scene was dropped, replaced by a kiss.
Despite this, Tupac said he and Janet became friends, and she gave him her number. The day after filming wrapped, he tried to call her – and Janet had changed her phone number. Cut him out of her life, just like that. He sounded genuinely hurt by this behavior, although he insisted he didn’t hate her for it.
Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan.
The massive feud and hateration between most of the former members of Marilyn Manson (the band) is one of my all-time favorite celebrity soap operas.
For the purposes of streamlining everything, I’m gonna refer to everyone by their stage names.
The original band started out with Marilyn Manson himself, Daisy Berkowitz on guitar, and Olivia Newton Bundy on bass. Manson’s friend, Madonna Wayne Gacy, better known as Pogo, wanted to join but due to his lack of musical ability at the time (he later taught himself keyboards), he enlivened the live shows by playing with toy soldiers on stage and other such antics.
Manson met Gidget Gein, who impressed him mostly because he looked like a rock star, and fired Bundy and replaced him with Gein. Olivia Newton Bundy went on to form “an industrial metal band that played songs about saving sea turtles”, as Manson scathingly put it, and gave many dishy interviews about the early days of the band. For some time, Daisy was the only actual musician in the band (Manson has no musical training, Gein could barely play his bass, and a drum machine filled in for percussion). They got a keyboardist called Zsa Zsa Speck but ditched him once Pogo learned keyboard. Finally a real drummer, Sara Lee Lucas, joined up. The band got a boost from Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, who at the time was Marilyn’s mentor and idol.
The band started getting famous. Unfortunately, Gidget Gein got a bad drug habit. He OD’d four or five times before Manson decided enough was enough, and fired him (via telegram!) on Christmas Eve 1993, no less. Gein’s replacement was Twiggy Ramirez, one of Manson’s closest friends and a tagalong “groupie” since the band’s inception. Gein HATED Twiggy’s guts, and a near constant theme in his interviews afterwards was how “Gordy” (his nickname for Twiggy) ripped off his style and stole his rightful place in the band. One of my friends here in NYC was pals with Gidget before his death, and according to him, Gidget legitimately hated the guy, it wasn’t an act.
Once Twiggy joined, the balance of power shifted from the two founders (Daisy and Marilyn) to Marilyn and Twiggy vs. Daisy. Meanwhile, the drummer Lucas was uncomfortable with the “Satanic” thing and getting fed up with Manson’s antics, such as setting his drums on fire – while Lucas was still playing. He quit and was replaced by Ginger Fish, who became Marilyn’s new chewtoy.
Marilyn and Twiggy bullied Daisy out of the band partway through the recording of Antichrist Superstar. They picked up a new guitarist, a vegetarian transvestite called Zim Zum (the first band member who didn’t take on a “Spooky” name). Daisy spent the next several years fighting Manson in court over the rights to the band’s catalogue. Daisy, like Gidget Gein, also had nothing good to say about Twiggy and declared that his biggest mistake wasn’t fighting harder to keep Gidget in the band and keep Twiggy out.
At this point, the band reached superstardom. It was more or less the Marilyn show, with Twiggy as his Guy Friday and the rest of the band as hired help. At this time, Courtney Love entered the picture. THAT whole saga is worthy of a post of its own, but long story short, she and Trent Reznor had a thing going on. When he tried to cut her out of his life, Courtney started sleeping with Twiggy in order to have an excuse to hang around. Twiggy thought they were in an actual relationship, if we can believe Marilyn’s statements in his book, and was hurt by her antics.
Around this time, Trent Reznor and Manson had a gigantic falling out. They made an effort to patch things up several years later (Manson appeared in Nine Inch Nails’ video for “Starfuckers, Inc.” which viciously mocked Courtney Love) but they quickly went back to hating each other.
Zim Zum and Pogo had become close friends and were living together, and Pogo was so upset when Zim was fired that he took it out on Zim’s replacement, John 5. According to John 5, Pogo’s first words to him were, “Why should I talk to you? You’re only gonna be in the band for six months anyway!”
John 5 was kind of an odd match for the band, being a Straight Edge country music star, but he stuck it out from 1998 to 2004. Fun fact: John was or is a sex addict who was once married to a porn star. On one occasion, Marilyn performed a bizarre “exorcism” on John using an archaic medical instrument in an attempt to cure him of his sex addiction. Ah, what a guy.
In 2002, Twiggy quit the band after Marilyn tried to make him conform to his vision for Golden Age of Grotesque (Marilyn wanted him to dye his hair blond). He went on to play with some bands you’ve never heard of like A Perfect Circle and Nine Inch Nails. Manson hired Tim Skold from KMFDM to replace him on bass, and when John 5 was fired Skold also started performing guitar. After Twiggy left, Gidget Gein got back in touch with Manson and there were rumors he was going to rejoin, which came to naught. He did, however, appear in the video for “(s)AINT” as one of the crossdressing hookers who has a threesome with Manson in his hotel room (the other hooker, incidentally, is played by Eric Szmanda from CSI).
Pogo, the last person left from “the old days”, quit the band and apparently went off the deep end. Even his old friend Zim Zum has said in interviews that while he still cares about Pogo, its hard to stay in touch with someone who’s living “on another planet.”
In 2006, Manson called up his ex-bandmate, Daisy Berkowitz, out of the blue. This was particularly weird as the two had fought each other in court almost constantly for the last ten years. That was squarely in the middle of the darkest period in Marilyn’s life, when all his old friends/lovers were dropping out of his life (Twiggy, Dita, Pogo). Daisy was too polite to say if it was a drunk and crying 3am phone call, but I like to think it was.
Tim Skold was the all-around architect of the band from 2002-2008, and was dropped like a hot potato when Twiggy decided he wanted to come back. Gidget Gein had died of a drug overdose shortly before this in 2008. Twiggy switched to guitar and brought in his buddy, Fred Sablan, as the new bassist.
More drama ensued. Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails, and Rob Zombie started swapping around band members in earnest. Chris Vrenna, friend and collaborateur of Trent Reznor since their ramen noodle-subsistence days, joined Marilyn Manson and then quit in 2011. Ginger Fish also quit that same year, to join John 5 in Rob Zombie. As I said before, Twiggy bounced from Marilyn Manson to Nine Inch Nails and back to Marilyn Manson. It’s all a big incestuous mess.
One of my dreams is to have a giant Marilyn Manson reunion on a suitably trashy talk show. Oooooh, baby.
Elton John and Rush Limbaugh are friends. Elton even sang at Rush’s wedding.
Frank Capra and Glen Ford
Capra says that Ford was the reason he left the business.
Ford’s (Mr. Eleanor Powell) production company bankrolled the film and he hated the experience and speaks to it in his book Name Above the Title.
My favorite quote…
Hah! I always knew Frank would end up in bed with a boy!
Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia) and either her father, singer Eddie Fisher, or the late Elizabeth Taylor.
Eddie left Carrie and her mother to console Elizabeth when one of her husbands died.
According to Carrie, Eddie consoled Liz with his penis.