Cesario: shut the fuck up, you gross fucking asshole

TLDR version: I don’t like the vibe of this situation, either from Cesarios side or from the increasingly fervent pitchfork wielders.

You think that doesn’t go on currently even with non-paedos?

This internet witch hunt makes me glad that most of you are only Internet tough guys, and that men generally only get a hard stare or cold shoulder in real life when the paranoia sets in. The people who claim they would rip apart any man who even glances at their children generally would not go through with their boast unless they thought they would not get in physical or legal trouble. And in reality they would most likely trust or submit to the most dangerous predators because they are either slick enough to pull it off or big enough that all your boasts of defending your children will disappear when confronted with someone who actually works out.

But on a message board being backed up by your homies, it’s another story. I’m afraid that all of this knee-jerk hatred is in danger of spilling over even more than it has into real life.

I thankfully have probably run in to far less of this witch hunt in real life than most men have, due to having a below average outgoingness quotient. But my few encounters with coldness or innuendo has convinced me that the cycle generally goes like this in many peoples minds:

  1. There are some people who are pedophiles
  2. Pedophiles by definition are the most evil things possible in the world because of who they are. (i.e. original sin/scapegoat)
  3. Any random man has a good chance of being a pedophile.
  4. Therefore, it is best to assume that every man you meet or are somewhat acquainted with is a pedophile, and act accordingly in every way. (Note that if you kill every random man you meet on the street you may run in to legal or physical complications, but remember, we are under the assumption that they are a pedophile.)

Steps 2 and 4 are the weakest, obviously. I don’t think #4 can be helped as that is the nature of the witch hunt once it has a target. So if I can convince people to treat potential predators with due caution rather than with a moral panic and scapegoating, then step #2 may be broken and people can use common sense instead of looking around and seeing evil lurking everywhere.

I actually cry a bit when I think about the possibility of getting married and having children and all the crap I would get when I am out with them alone just due to my gender. I have spent quite a bit of time with my younger sister when she was a child (who was young enough to be my daughter.) While small situations only happened a handful of times that I am aware of and they were not huge, they were the most firmly established case of shunning ever, because you should have seen their eyes light up and relax around me when my sister recognized me (proving that I was not imagining things when I thought they suspected me before, after all they could have been having a bad day or were a not generally pleasant person.)

If I were a father I would spend much more time with my child than I did with my sister, providing for an order of magnitude more opportunities to be shamed for being born with a penis.

Now I am also grateful that I did not have to suffer through molestation, but one often thinks more about the dangers ahead than the ones already experienced.

Lastly, if we turn our outrage meter to 11 all the time we miss out on actual warning signs. For instance, I have noted something in Cesarios posts that moved me more into the camp of thinking he is a danger if real, but it was only recent. Everyone else was crying wolf, and this mega-skeevy post remained undistinguished amidst the general outrage whenever he posts.

I’ve got three daughters. I take them out by myself on almost a daily basis and I’ve never gotten a dirty look. On the contrary, actually. People like seeing an involved father.
It’s talking to other people’s kids that will get you wary looks, and justifiably so.

IIRC, he tried to. He started a thread which was disappeared. (At least I think it was Stage Manager. )

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=3393765

Heh—and a few people were bitching that it was removed, while the mods stood steady–defending removing it. All Right, Samclem, I WILL Take it to the Pit - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board

Heh[sup]2[/sup]–there were two. The “disappeared” one (Stage Manager’s?) and http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-222428.html <-this one, which was locked because…“sex with underage persons is illegal, and this thread seems to be inviting discussions with how to do same, this thread is locked.” (note that the OP didn’t actually invite discussion about how to…at least no more overtly than Cesario wants to.)

I wonder why this issue is so much tougher to understand now?

Which is ironic, because children are molested far more often by their parents than by strangers.

Who’s making a claim to “rip apart” anyone. And please demonstrate where that is a majority opinion of people who don’t want Cesario to have a thread here.

This is mostly made up bullshit. Nobody except the most paranoid assumes #4.

Fathers don’t have any special “problems” when out with their daughters. Except from assholes.

I think -you- have a skewed view of things.

Speaking for myself, I’m not calling for a ban. But I think allowing him to have a thread to pontificate from is not something I want.

The issue has been Zottified.

:smack:

I didn’t want to quote the whole thing but I agree with all of it.

It reveals the inherent hypocrisy (and the overall stupidity) of attempting to moderate adult discourse. As far as I’m concerned, I’m happy to let the 2 statements sit there for all to see. I’m not going any where.
Ludovic–your position seems a tad dramatic and severe. :dubious:

As a mother of young kids, I don’t recall seeing any and every strange man as a potential pedophile/danger. Now that my kids are older, I still don’t see unknown men as predators upon them. But none of that means I wasn’t wary. Live in the world, but watch your back. Good advice for us all, no?

The priorities around this place just get more…interesting…by the day. So not regretting my decision to minimize exposure–I suspect stupidity is catching.

It’s funny you know. I read that quote when he posted it at the time and, not knowing anything about him, I read it as a joking reference to being attracted to underage kids when you are underage yourself. I read it as “Since I was a strictly heterosexual pedophile…” I thought he was talking about being attracted to 12 year old girls when you’re a 12 year old boy. I thought that because no pedophile in their right mind would openly talk about it in such a way on a general interest public message board (of course.) Boy was I wrong.

I’m glad I missed the flirting thread, I think I may have thrown up in my mouth just a little.

I think he’s a troll. He may be a pedophile troll but he still does it for reaction.

If he’s a genuine unrepentant pedophile then I think it is very unhealthy for the SDMB to facilitate his desire to share his thoughts. If he’s just a pure troll then he should be dealt with accordingly.

By the way, I’m a father of two daughters and have had no trouble at all with being out in public with them. If anything people like to see a father involved with their kids, and if they don’t, then fuck’m.

I’ve seen girls( in my fanasies) as young as 5 that I would love to pump full of jizz. That said let me request that anyone else (you are out there) fess up to the truth and stop hiding the horny fuck that you are deep inside. This smackes of people hiding behind the Bible in order to avoid being out there with all the true and real feelings you have locked away. Be a human, It’s O.K. man!

I haven’t seen anyone defend him yet.

Hey I might know a place, what was it called … strangehorse, no strangelongneckedhorse … something.
That’s it, strangelongneckedhorsewithan18inchprehensiletongueboards.com!

:smiley:
CMC fnord!

Just because most people are okay (and I have some wonderful stories, too, which I was not expecting,) does not mean there aren’t [del]some[/del]many jerks out there. Threads like these are both a symptom and a cause for encouraging them and others to act on their mislaid fears.

It’s true, posters in these threads are not advocating physical violence. I am conflating it with the psychos in other threads who talk about vigourously defending their daughter’s hymen no matter if she is 12 or 22. Some claim that such posters are joking, that they know that women of a legal age can make decisions for themselves, but I have also experienced this sort of social oppression enough to know that it exists for real. Again, much less than most men most likely, but only because of my shyness.

I’m not saying that these two issues are the most important injustices in the world for me (okay, the thing with legal women would be that important if it happened more often), just that I wish this sort of unfriendliness didn’t happen. It doesn’t cost anything to treat people nicely. Conversely, howling and demanding to silence the views of someone you hate to the core will not make their problem go away.

I wear a scuba thingie when certain posters are around just in case.

Goddamnit, I knew I was going to get caught by that eventually. :smack: I’m too much of a potty mouth not to ever call someone a motherfucker or tell them to fuck themselves. I mean, come on – a man has his limits. But, the rules are the rules, so I apologize.

Awesome. Thanks ever so much for sharing that – you couldn’t have possibly made your point without that beautiful little mental picture, now could you? Gross fucking weirdo.

The fact that this guy’s name line does not yet say “BANNED” shows that there is something wrong with the moderating on this board.

Let me put it more precisely: if the moderators do not have rules to back them up such that this is a ban-worthy offense, then such rules need to be created. No where on this board - not even in the BBQ Pit - should any such statement go unpunished.

Point is that I am just a Human and that yes I do have sexual thoughts that are out there , but I would not ever bring this to fruition.

Fuck. I thought you were joking to make some sort of point. Now there’s two of you. Although I suspect that some of the other defenders might also be in your camp.