I haven’t really seen Cesario claim that status - in fact, he seems to have decided to doe the opposite of playing the victim.
I’m not an apologist for paedophilia. I’m an antagonist of shitty arguments and bullshit pittings.
If Cesario had said he’s actually already had sex with, or was planning on having sex with, a real under 10 yo, I’d have an entirely different take on the matter. But I don’t hold with the idea of thoughtcrime, and I don’t particularly care for people who have arguments with the threads in their head rather than a person’s actual posts
Plus, you know, according to some, since I was raped as a kid, I must be a closet case, so don’t be so quick with the “not a paedophile” brush, there.:rolleyes:
I’m glad I’m not the only sane person in this thread. It’s even worse because I can’t even call it thoughtcrime when we (on this very board!) go on and on about sexual preference being inborn and immutable.
For fuck’s sake, eleanorrigby, no crimes have been committed and no children have been molested. **Cesario **thinks that it’s potentially true (not even certainly true, and he’s already said as much upthread when I asked him point-blank–and said he’s not planning on touching any kids until such time as it’s proven to SOCIETY’S satisfaction that they’re capable of meaningful consent) that our age of consent laws err on the high side, and has proposed eliminating the bright-line that many states have in favor of a license-based system. This wouldn’t even be a particularly out-there proposal (I’ve made it myself!) if it wasn’t for the fact that he’s also admittedly a pedophile.
I will maintain until I grow hoarse that there’s a MAJOR difference between advocacy for increased emancipation of people under 18 and “arguing that he should be allowed to fuck kids”–the same as the difference (on an issue that I’ve used as a comparison) between “we should make the laws more forgiving of physical violence in some cases” and “I should be allowed to punch the shit out of anyone who annoys me”. In both cases the latter is a twisted fantasy and the former is a debatable and potentially reasonable public policy opinion.
It boils down to this–he’s said, point-blank, he’s not having sex with anyone under the current age of consent (for whatever reasons) until the age of consent is lowered, and if it’s not, he’ll deal. That sounds to me like the most sensible course he can take without ultimately hating himself or removing himself from life, neither of which I’d wish on anyone in a world where sexual preference is increasingly thought to be inborn. By some definitions, yes, **Cesario **is “sick”, but only in the sense of “he has a paraphilia that is completely illegal to act on, and he will probably realistically never find a sexual partner that is capable of giving consent so long as he lives in a country with sane laws”. To me that’s worthy of a bit of pity, even if he’s got the occasional attitude problem about it–and I would too, if everyone in the goddamn world that heard about something in my head that I was born with told me that I should be ashamed and embarrassed and should rip out that part of me and hate myself.
In fairness, I’m not certain how serious people are. At this point we’ve been through every stereotypical right-wing thought-terminating trope from “won’t somebody think of the children” to “if you aren’t with us you’re against us” to “if you let people talk about something, the [paedophiles] win”. I think all we’re lacking is somebody quoting somebody else, cutting them off halfway through their sentence and posting “YOU LIE”, so I increasingly suspect there may be some subtle whooshing at work.
No shit. What do you think all this discussion about meaningful consent has been about, if not children’s welfare?
It isn’t. Where did anyone say otherwise?
When you feel the need to expound on “odd notions” that are not reflected in anything anyone has actually said, it’s time to step out of the thread. For Christ’s sake.
Having the temerity to think that maybe there’s a way to balance both children’s welfare and Cesario’s sexual desires in a way that harms neither does not mean we’re throwing out the former in favor of the latter. And it’s obviously quite contentious a topic as it is. There’s no need for you to throw “so when did you stop beating your wife” style questions and commentary into the fray.
Yeah, roughly. Cesario proposed a systemic series of questions to be evaluated by a trained professional (and they looked pretty good/comprehensive–as I’d said before, I’m not necessarily sure I could have passed at the time I lost my virginity at 20–of course, I was in the throes of massive depression at the time) that would result in a “I am allowed to legally consent” card.
To his credit, he’s also said that if such a system were implemented, and no one under age twelve passed the test, he’d be content with remaining celibate because he’d KNOW he wasn’t able to have sex with his preferred age range without being a rapist. Personally, I think that’s a good a viewpoint as I can expect (given that I don’t expect him to self-loathe something he was born with, just to recognize that acting on it has potential ramifications that are horrifying)
A “sex license” is insane–better we should license people in order to have children.
I don’t agree that sexual behavioral preferences are immutable; I think they’re learned. (note the phrase. I don’t believe that homosexuality is learned). Since I disagree with the basic premise that makes pedophilia “ok” but a darn shame that those who “suffer” from it can’t be allowed that exquisite pleasure, I’m not likely to go along with any kind of sex test that an adult would create in order to gratify his needs.
He can think what he likes. I have never said otherwise. I don’t think any pedophile should be allowed free reign here to air his “needs”, however hypothetically and give the topic even a modicum of respectability. Obviously, you disagree.
There are limits to free speech. We inhabit an interesting place where a man can indulge himself self-righteously about a pleasure that would harm others, but I cannot tell him to fuck off. But you are correct in one respect: I said I had said my piece and I have. See you all on the playground.
As I understand it (and he’s free to correct this impression), Cesario did not create the test alone, but in conjunction with a debate opponent at the opposite end of the underage emancipation spectrum. So you can’t honestly say it was created just to gratify his needs, especially since he freely admits it will possibly eliminate one of his two ranges of sexual partners.
Nothing particularly “right wing” aout the responses in this context–particularly since most of the respondents have tended to post from the center or left. It is much more a matter of personal reaction to the topic than a political judgment.
I really REALLY don’t wanna point the finger at anyone. But several times in Cesario threads there have been posters who have shown sympathy towards him in a way in which they are almost too accepting of him. Almost like there is a secret wink or handshake going on.
I’ll say it again, i am NOT going to name names, but has anyone else gotten that creepy feeling aswell?
No, really - name names. Please, I’d loooove to know who you’re referring to. Me? mswas? Zeriel? Someone else? C’mon, you have the balls to insinuate something, have the balls to do it right, Mr Happy. Or are you just a coward as well as retarded?
A test for children to judge whether they are ready for sex? You people are living in some twisted fantasy world where six year olds scream, “Oh please fuck me harder with your giant 12 inch penis!”, aren’t you.
What parent would ever consent to even let their children take the test, I mean except for the ones who want to fuck their own children and not get arrested for it?
I will go out on a limb and say I am against adult-child sex in any way shape or form, regardless of some bullshit test some pasty faced loser wants to invent to justify his perversions.
I am not bigoted against pedophiles. Mostly I feel sorry for them. But the ones who rationalize this shit and try to convince me that it would be perfectly hunky-dory to fuck little kids, if only society would get on the right sheet of music? Yeah, I’m completely bigoted against them. I’m willing to take that hit.
I’ve been waiting for this, and am actually surprised it took this long to happen. Because of course it is impossible to be willing to consider someone else’s viewpoint without believing that that viewpoint is right, or moral, or whatever. I can defend someone’s right to believe in God without doing so myself, or even if I feel that their belief is harming themselves or others.
Of course, now I’m probably going to be put on Mr Happy list as one of those disgusting preverts. :rolleyes:
The proposed test is not designed for children. Its intended purpose is to test whether people, regardless of age, have the intellectual and emotional capacity to consent.
I’m 17. I’m allowed to consent, but I know that I’m not ready to. I don’t think that I would pass the test. I’d come close, but I’m not there yet. There are people my age who I’d bet anything are less ready than I am; and there are probably people younger than me who are capable. That’s why I think a test of this nature would be a good idea.
This was my first thought when I read the proposal too. But I think that over time, reasonable parents would come to understand that it’s not just about taking the test, it’s about passing it. If their child is too young, they have nothing to fear from the test, because the child won’t pass.
I’ve been reading a lot of Cesario’s posts, and while some of them do squick me out, I’m on his side in this pitting. I’m absolutely opposed to the rape of children (or of anyone, come to that), but he appears to be on the same page about that. I doubt very much that anyone under twelve could pass the proposed test, or that many of them would even be inclined to take it. But hey, it’s within the realm of possibility. And if there were such a test, it would settle arguments like these: there would be proof that they’re not able to consent. Isn’t that something you’d want?
I am against adult-child sex in any way shape or form, too, thanks. But what’s a “child” in this context? In this country alone, the age of consent ranges from sixteen to eighteen with some caveats (such as my home state, where the age of consent is as low as 13 if their sexual partner is 17), and worldwide it typically ranges from twelve to twenty. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t think there will be anyone outside of the low side of those ranges ever coming close to passing such a test, in fact, I think the proposed test will RAISE the average effective age of consent.
I’m in this debate for two reasons–one, because Cesario’s getting repeatedly accused either of lying about the extent of his pedophilic behavior, or else being essentially told that being a pedophile is thoughtcrime. There’s no evidence for the former contention, and I’ll defend the latter to my dying breath because I think it’s an inherent right in a free society to think about and advocate for whatever the hell you want provided you are doing advocacy and not incitement–fine line, I know, but whatever.
Also, and you’re just one in a long line, “go out on a limb”? What bullshit. Yeah, we get it, you’re taking a heroic anti-pedophilia stance. Yeah, toss random insults, that’s sure to help.
Not me, bro. I’m like, all edgy and contrarian, always going against the grain. My mind’s so open you could use it for a fruit bowl. Your philistine herd is always trampling that way, while I’m doing a slick little fake-out shuffle this way, up onto my little perch where I wave and shout “ha ha!” at all the normies. Excuse me while I YAWN.
Sure that sounds great. We can finally settle this society ripping controversy over whether 0-11 yr olds should be having sex with adults. Maybe we can also make up some tests to see if child soldiers are so bad. I mean, I’m against it personally and I’m sure none will pass, but we need a standardized test so we can settle all the disagreement. I bet some adults wouldn’t even pass! LOL!
