Changing the world...one MMP at a time!

No, GT, I didn’t forget–I’m just in a whole 'nother time zone! Well, that and being on the Left Coast and all…

So anyway, perhaps some of you have noticed I’ve been referring somewhat cryptically to a project I’ve been working on and I flatter myself anyway that it’s been noticed so I decided to lay it out a bit here to see what y’all think of it.

A genius tinkerer friend of mine has been working on an on-demand automotive electrolytic hydrogen hybrid system for a while now. That’s not so unusual, because with gas zooming up to four bucks a gallon here in the US and double that in some places abroad pretty much everybody, their brother, the waitress at the corner cafe and probably your mom is also trying to figure something out that will force our big fat American cars to get something which remotely approaches decent mileage. The difference is that he’s come up with something reliable, durable and marketable–that substantially improves gas mileage, emissions and horsepower of pretty much any vehicle you put it in.

Now I’m sure some of you have seen Dubya standing up in front of the shiny hydrogen filling station, bewilderedly plugging the shiny hydrogen filling hose into the shiny hydrogen fuel cell prototype vehicle. As nice as it might appear at first blush, this is a totally retarded scenario for several reasons. First off, one of the problems with using electrolysis to separate out hydrogen from water is that it takes electricity to make it happen, so making hydrogen on a large scale often takes just as much energy to produce a tankload as the hydrogen gives up when burned, and depending on the source of the electricity used it can be pretty heavy on the carbon footprint. Secondly, the logistical problems involved in moving pressurized, liquid hydrogen around are a total nightmare–gasoline burns at something like 300 M/sec whereas hydrogen burns at something like 3000 M/sec, which is why it’s a little scary to be trucking around or storing in tanks. Thirdly, in those spiffy ads they’re putting the hydrogen (still pressurized) into fuel cells that are contained inside tiny cars that regularly challenge semi trucks for right of way and often lose–this is such a bad idea to have roaming around free on the highways I can’t begin to expound on it. Fourthly, in order to run pure hydrogen a car has to have an engine built especially for that fuel because regular engines can’t handle the corrosive properties associated with the byproduct of hydrogen combustion, which is water. Engines don’t like to be full of water. To say the least. Fifthly, this whole scenario is predicated on continuing a failed business model that relies on exclusivity and monopoly to exist and quite frankly I say “fuck dat.”

The better solution is the hydrogen hybrid concept, and it’s easier than you’d think. We’ve developed a neat little generator that uses distilled water and vinegar for the electrolytic solution to support the generation of HHO (Brown’s gas.) The system uses parasitic power that the car already produces as it runs, power that is generated by the alternator and while the car is operating that power is used to run the radio, or the DVD player, or whatever other electrical systems are being operated. The HHO generating system is capped at thirty amps, but it generally settles out to drawing 15-20 amps under normal operation. Basically, when you start your car electricity is diverted to the generator, which busily produces hydrogen and oxygen in the acid solution, which is then introduced into the air intake process of the engine. Our generator is currently producing .5 liter/min of gas on average, but if we use a 24 V system such as is used in semi trucks the output goes up to 1.5 L/min–using a generator unit that’s smaller than a 2 liter bottle of pop, that weighs about three pounds.

What does this mean to me, I hear you thinking… Well, what it means is that we put one of these suckers into an 8 cylinder, 5 L, all wheel drive Ford Explorer and it went from averaging 14 mpg in city driving to 20. A Dodge Dakota pickup went from 17 to 23 mpg. We just installed one in a 2.7L V6 Chrysler and I’m dying to find out how much that one benefits. We’re quite positive we can guarantee at least a 20% gain in fuel economy in any passenger vehicle. We’ve taken these and other vehicles through our local emissions checks and they’re running cleaner than they were the day they were made, because in addition to adding volatile fuel to the mixture in the cylinders (hydrogen,) we’re also adding more oxygen as well, which results in a more complete combustion event–did you know that most of you are puking about a third or more of the gas you buy out the tailpipe? Sad but true. Power is up on these cars as well, so those improved mpg numbers are in spite of being driven like they were stolen–the extra horsepower kind of invites leadfooting. This is just from our testing prototype; we’re working to improve the system and get a higher volume of gas production from it, as well as working on a larger generator for semi trucks–which get five mpg on a good day. So to recap, it’s clean, it’s green, it’s safe, it’s a no brainer.

And here’s the tricky part–we want to keep the price of a kit down to the five hundred dollar mark. We want this system to be affordable for pretty much anyone who owns a car, especially those of us who use our trucks for work and need larger vehicles because there’s nothing more pitiful than someone who has a vehicle they paid fifty grand for that they can’t afford to drive. The system works on any gas, diesel, propane or CNG vehicle as an add on. It doesn’t mess with any existing emissions equipment. It improves gas mileage. It improves emissions. It improves horsepower. We’re also finding out, serendipitously, that it improves oil longevity in diesel trucks–we put a unit into an '89 Dodge Cummins Turbodiesel with about 300K miles on it and 900 miles after the last oil change the dipstick is pulling up oil that’s still a clear honey color. Perhaps some of you own older diesels and are thinking of calling me a damned liar right now–but I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Similar systems have been marketed that started at a grand and went up, but so far none has worked as consistently or as reliably as ours.

We’ve been approached by some fairly major marketers and hope to have these suckers on the shelves by this summer. We intend to keep our manufacturing here in the PNW–we don’t want this to go over to China for cheap manufacture, we want it to stay here and benefit our community. We happen to think it’s better to give people a little measure of control over their lives and expenditures, and what better place to start than the family car? We’re working with a company that manufactures synthetic oil to find the right grade of oil that will allow us to put generators in to supply larger and larger percentages of hydrogen as fuel without having to reengineer existing automotive engines–we really want to figure out how to make a car run JUST on the on-demand generators with no fuel tank. Eventually we want to look into the feasibility of on demand HHO house units run by combinations of small wind turbines and solar panels that charge a battery pack to fuel the electrolytic reaction because it’s just sick that people are dying in winter because they can’t pay the fuel bill.

So maybe it’s clearer why I’m kinda bubbling around a bit–this is seriously exhilarating but pretty damned scary, too. We could be sitting on something that will fundamentally force a paradigm shift away from our reliance on corporations and countries to tell us how much we’re gonna spend on fuel and getting the reins back into the hands of regular people. America used to be full of people who could do for themselves, who didn’t like to rely on others to tell them what to do or how to do it–I’d like to see a little more of that self reliance and control coming back into our lives because I think we need it now more than ever. We need to feel like we have a say in our own destinies.

Changing the world–one little piece at a time. Wish me luck!
In the immortal words of Stephen Hyde: “There is no gas shortage man! It’s all fake. The oil companies control everything! Like there’s this guy who invented this car that runs on water man! It’s got fiber glass air cooled engine and it runs on water!”

Luck wished, SmartAleq. Remember this when I hit your billionaire ass up for money…

Mmmm…still wondering about the rate of hydrogen generation. The big appeal of petroleum is that it condenses hundreds of millions of years worth of solar energy into a small package. Are you so sure your mechanism will kick out enough hydrogen, fast and consistently enough, to satisfy the general maniacal human (personally, I’m pretty tame, but I’m atypical) desire/demand to go bananas; e.g., commute 50 miles a day?

This is not meant to be snarky, though it is anyway, 'cause that’s normal for me.

Rock the World! :wink:

All the best of luck in your venture! A lot of what you said went over my head, but I get the gist. My 16 yo daughter has decided that there is no reason to learn to drive, as by the time she is an adult “the world will be out of gas”.

It’s been a long, strange week/weekend at la casa de kaiwik, I am more than ready for a fresh week…Hello Monday!

Very interesting, Aleq. Of course, my years as a warranty administrator make me wonder what’s going to happen if you install your system on a vehicle that’s still under warranty. Honestly, it sounds interesting, but given the choice between adding something new and not having to pay out of pocket for major catastrophic repairs I think I’m going to have to stick with the factory stuff. Are you attempting to talk to automotive manufacturers to add this as standard issue?

Ok, well, I’m up a little bit too early this morning, but not too bad. I actually did get about 5 sub sandwiches priced out over the weekend. I need to add a few more, though. Today I’m actually going to build some subs and test out my weights and ingredient ratios. Guess what I’m having for breakfast? :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

SmartAleq: More power to you! Rock on! But listen…get a bodyguard. Or something. Or make some kind of provision. You know what they say about people who invent things that improve mileage/engine efficiency…

Smartie good luck! Like kai said, most of it is waaaaaaay over my head but I kinda basically understand it. We gotta do sump’n and soon. All the mumper engineer types, etc. will be along later to weigh in. It’ll be interestin’ to see what they have to say.

Up and caffienatin’ here. I woke up earlier than usual cause nature said so. Thus I am thinkin’ maybe I’ll get caffiened up, purtify and maybe go grab a big ol’ brekkie at Waffle House. MMMMMM… I loves me some WH brekkie!

Good Mornin’ everybody!

I’m sure it’s a great OP, Smartie, but it goes way over my little head. I don’t understand science stuff at all, I can just about cope with the idea that putting a knife in a wall-socket is a bad idea, but beyond that I’m pretty clueless.

Is it really Monday again already? I’m at work and looking at a pile of tedious jobs. Ho hum. My weekend was a couple of highlights in a sea of mediocrity…and yesterday’s headache left me for about four hours and then returned with a vengeance at 2am. I am feeling particularly “meh” today.

Hi, it’s me again. Will somebody please tell me why I keep reading that abusive dog owner thread in the pit? It’s annoying as hell. :dubious: :rolleyes:

Very interesting OP, Smartie, even though as others have said, it went well over my head as well! Good luck, though, as it sounds like something that will be of great use.

Up and caffeinating, ready for the work week to begin. Need a bit more time to gather my thoughts, and will have to do that later today after work.

Up, caffeinated, and back to work. Blegh.

Good luck, Aleq!

Missed the edit window! I just wanted to thank Dotty for the further explanation of the keffiyeh, and apologize for being so nosy about it. Sometimes my curiousity exceeds the bounds of manners, although in my personal defense, the Middle Eastern culture(s) are something that I know next to nothing about, so it’s truly an education. And I apologize for thinking that it looked unusual, when in fact it was a traditional way of wearing it. Gah, I hope that makes sense … thank you Dotty for the education. :slight_smile:

Afternoon all! Wow, smartie! This time, your nickname really fits! I got the gist of what you’re talking about and I can certainly understand why you’re so excited about it.

tarra, no problem with the questions, and I certainly didn’t think your questions were inappropriate or outside the general ambit of polite conversation. Ask away - if I can do my small part in breaking down cultural walls, I am more than happy to answer those questions!

Good luck Smartie. I did understand the concept in your OP, but any more detail would have been a *woosh *for me.

Busy weekend for me, worked both days, and this week I don’t have to go in until Friday, so I think it’s time for spring cleaning for real this time. Plus, I want to start getting the yard in shape for planting next month.

The rest is carryover from last weeks MMP.

Oh yeah, snowbunny swans are definitely aggressive. My Mom and Aunt had us kids at a park one spring morning when I was about 3 or 4. I got too close to the pond and got bit on the butt . <snerk> I had a very large purple bruise that took most of that summer to fade. That thing chased me quite a ways and got me just as Mom was picking me up, so at least he didn’t break the skin.

Glad you made it back in one piece, FCM. And I think the MMPers are a good looking bunch

Dotty, cute kid, and I also thank you for explaining about the headwear.

I’ll be the first Mumper engineer to go :dubious:

Just how much distilled water and vinegar do you consume?

On to other blatherings. I took a rescue call Saturday night that went nowhere fast. I was home, watching Star Wars ep II on Spike like a good geek when the page went out for a guy a few miles from the VunderLair with a possible broken leg. The regular crew was out on a different run, so I went as an advance guy.

I got to the dude’s house, and he’s limping around the yard, very upset, and yelling “I ain’t riding in any God damned ambulance!”

Ho-kay… I got back in my car and went about a quarter mile up the road, called the en-route crew, and filled them in. Soon there were 2 deputies, a state trooper, another rescue guy in his truck, and the ambulance. The patient was still going off, so all of us got the collective hell out of there, and no one came close to even getting a signature on a refusal form. Oh well…

Then, yesterday I decided I was making Rigs’ Cheddar Garlic Chicken recipe, trusting soul that I am, and soon found out we had no bread crumbs or even saltine crackers in the house. I headed to the Hooterville store, and just as I was about to turn into the parking lot, I was paged for a chimney fire. It was nothing, but that ate an hour out of the late afternoon.

Operation Eat Me went off well. Both guilty parties were surprised to get cakes while being told not to call me at 10 PM ever again. :wink:

Time to work now.

ETA: Swampus, I’m a Springer, too.

hi
bye
later

runs in quickly flailing arms I have a 1500-word paper to write for today heeeeeeeelllllllp runs back out, still panicking

Wow, Smarts. That sounds really cool. I understood maybe every fifth word, but I want one of whatever you’re making once it’s done.

On to replies!

Nothing sux like an Electrolux!

Bobbio, was there Alcohol Involved with Broken Leg Guy or was he just another example of the Charming Residents of the Gates of Hell? That was weird.

snowbunny, I like to look at swans, but I don’t ever get too close. They’re huge and beaky. I’m nervous around birds anyway. I wouldn’t get too close to Big Bird because he might beak me.

Happy Day After Birthday to HRH!

Remind me that I absolutely positively must write the transition for the Great Comps Rewrite That’s Taking Too Long today.

I can lend you “barmpot”, “spanner” and “twunt” for the day although I might need to borrow “twunt” back again if my cellphone company don’t stop sending the same SMS over and over again.

Officially, I don’t know, because I never got closer than 20 feet. I’m a big dude that can easily take care of myself, but I’m also smart enough to not make trouble for myself.

Given the area he lives in, the smart money says he had alcohol in him as an absolute minimum; recreational pharmaceuticals are a high <snerk> probability.

Cool OP, Smarts. I know nothing about such things, but my dad used to work on a project to reduce the harmful waste products produced by the average car - he’s a chemical engineer.

Kythereia - 1,500 words, ppppffffft. Smoke a joint, the words will flow like milk and honey in Gilead, or something.

For some reason I am incredibly sleepy today.