Chicago's downtown deathtrap...

Amid the protests over George Floyd, Chicago’s mayor shut down the downtown and imposed a curfew with late notice, then shut down public transit and raised most of the bridges in that area. Now protestors are stuck in a little area, surrounded by rivers, while buildings burn, cops bear down, and looters run around amidst them. How are they supposed to get home?!

The police scanner is going crazy:

Best Buy, Versace, Walgreen, etc. looted, multiple buildings on fire, potential explosive at a gas station, burning squad cars, bomb squads called to examine suspicious objects, the police asking each other what weapons they have in their cars, rogue trolls on the radio…

Fuck. 2020 is turning out to be quite the year.

I can’t help but feel the protests were justified. It’s like we’ve learned nothing from Rodney King. Except this time it was a black mayor calling down the police. The twitter reactions are mixed, with the conservatives saluting a mayor they normally hate and and asking her to call in the National Guard, and others calling the death trap her fault and demanding her resignation.

That mayor is just…not right.

Depends on your perspective. I bet some folks in Minneapolis think her decisions look pretty good compared to the wimpy response from their mayor and are thinking: damn, where do we get a good black lesbian mayor like that?

Shutting down public transit is obviously not convenient for some people, but what choice was there? If it was left running in the downtown area, the goons might have attacked a bus or a train and there could have been a high death toll.

Damn - so glad I don’t work in the Loop anymore.

I think it’s something of a tough call, though - do nothing and let the riot spread, or try to contain it put those in the crowd at a risk they can’t get away from even if they aren’t one of the perpetrators.

What do you think the mayor should have done instead?

If you ask me, she should’ve asked the CPD to voluntarily disarm and march alongside the protestors in a show of solidarity, as happened in Flint and New Jersey. She should’ve been there with them and encouraged the protestors, shared their grief and anger, and mobilized city resources to provide water and porta-potties, while also gently asking protestors to refrain from violence and to self-police those around them for good behavior.

At the very least, she should have worked to ensure people have a way to safely get home, NOT close down the bridges and trains. It’s understandable if she wanted to close down the buses, but why trap people in the area she wants them to disperse out of? That only makes sense if she thinks of them as targets for the CPD to shepherd, not as people she’s really on the same as.

This whole charade of “property damage is just as bad as the murder of black people, and so I’m going to send the CPD to violently shut you down” is just senseless and tyrannical.

FWIW she’s live-streaming now and doubling down on her stance: Mayor Lori Lightfoot: "BREAKING: Mayor Lightfoot joins Supt. Brown, city officials, and community leaders to provide an update regarding last night's protests."

And she’s just called in the National Guard to double down on the use of state violence.

Heh, 2020 is turning out to be quite the postapocalyptic dystopia. The last thing before her live stream ended was “blah blah blah violence… we’re calling in the National Guard”. And then it cuts out, like the start of every zombie movie.

I wasn’t downtown last night so I can’t say how completely it was sealed off but as late as 10:30pm I was seeing posts on Facebook saying the LaSalle St. bridge was open so people could get north of the river. Buses were waiting there. Also, posts were stating the Red Line stations at 35th, Grand and Chicago Ave. were still open.

From what I saw on the video streaming from the WGN chopper, a lot of protesters began leaving the area as early as 6-7pm when the violence was beginning. The actions taken by the Mayor were not to trap people legitimately protesting but rather to contain the people who were there to loot and riot.

I don’t know which riot you were watching but the one I saw wasn’t going to listen to reasoned, impassioned speeches. I mean, this guy stole a police horse. These looters were shooting up into highrise balconies. This woman basically breaks out into gleeful song during a looting rampage.

I wasn’t there but I was following Twitter and the police scanner in real time. Her post announcing the lesalle opening was 45 minutes after the curfew started. The curfew itself was announced late in the afternoon and many people present didn’t know about it until it was too late. Community groups like the Chicago Freedom School and one of the hotels had to step up to offer emergency shelter. People didn’t know how to get out. Journalists were attacked. All as shit started to burn.

I guess we’ll never know. Instead, let’s just try more of the same heavy-handed police tactics that’s done so much to improve racial relations in this country in the years since Rodney King. That’s sure to help.

She may have FUed Trump’s comment about “when the looting starts the shooting starts”, but tell me that’s not exactly what she ended up doing.

Going to request a move to GD as this heats up.

Ok. I’ll play. Here you go: that’s not what she ended up doing.

Trump was calling for police to shoot looters in his comment. Last night, Chicago police did not shoot looters. The only shots fired last night – at least as currently documented – were from citizens.

I blame generations of poor CPD behavior as the biggest contributor to the current environment. But that’s the long view. If you’re talking about last night specifically, the police aren’t to blame. They did not show force on the streets of Chicago last night. React against what actually happened.

You’ve been here 10 years, and yet this is the first time I’ve encountered the user “El Famous Burrito”. Your user name has made my day!

Reply, I want to thank you for calling out the live stream of the Chicago press conference. We would have missed it if not for your reference and are watching on delay now, about 20 minutes behind real time. Did your feed get restored, or were you only able to watch up the moment of the mayor’s National Guard comment?

I’ve agreed with the comments of every speaker so far. The mayor and the new police superintendent spoke authentically. That wasn’t just boilerplate politician-speak. And I’ve agreed with the citizen speakers – the activist, the clergyman, and others – in their praise and validation of the protesters and their condemnation of the looters.

I guess I’m saying that I think this collection leaders performed as well as can be expected yesterday. A heavier approach would have resulted in the same brutality of the past. And if the police just didn’t show up, then what? My guess is we’d be facing the second Great Chicago Fire.

Thanks. Not surprising, given my blistering posting rate of… uh… 6 times per year. What can I say, I’m a lurker. By the time I read to the end of a thread – a prerequisite to posting in a thread, I believe – the opinion or witticism I’d share has usually already been contributed.

Since this is turning out to be more of a debate about the tactics used I will move it per your request.

No, he didn’t, as would be obvious from watching him for a minute. He’s a well-known character, often seen riding one of his horses through the South Side.

We got a lot of the looting here in the South Loop; I couldn’t go to bed because it took some white guys with full facemasks nearly 45 minutes to hammer their way into the ATM they’d dollied out of the 7-Eleven across the street into the park. Some other guys had an easier time with an ATM pulled from a different convenience store earlier in the night. Pretty much any place in Printers Row that might have a cash register or can of beer was broken into. It didn’t seem to be unfocused anger, though, because Jones High School’s blocklong expanse of plate glass was untouched, and so were other institutions, salons, real estate offices, and vacant shops.

While some of the looters and vandals undoubtedly were downtown earlier from the protest, by 11 pm it seemed to be an entirely different thing. Cars were driving in from outlying neighborhoods to loot and drive back out again, especially at The Roosevelt Collection, a U-shaped retail center on Roosevelt Road not easily reached by foot unless you’re deliberately headed there.

I woke early and went downstairs to see if my own highrise had gotten hit (we weren’t), and to investigate all the stuff a suspicious car had hurriedly discarded around midnight in a nearby parking lot. There was about $10 in cash, some mail, a north suburban village employee ID—and a bright pink toddler-size Barbie car. No idea if that had been looted somewhere, or if the car had been stolen with all that stuff in it.

By 7 am, my neighbors were already roaming the sidewalks with brooms and dustpans. By 10, the prodigious amounts of broken glass were all gone, at least from the sidewalks and streets. Stores needed a few hours’ cleanup and boardup, but nothing like a fire, flood, or tornado would require. The police cordoned off the central area—with the usual problems of downtown residents not being allowed to go home—and it’s been pretty quiet all day.

More of a problem was that there was no transit service in the central area (about 20 percent of the City of Chicago) all day long, and all transit in the entire six-county region was shut down this evening with only about an hour’s notice (much less if you don’t follow the agencies on Twitter). No idea how hospital workers and the like are making it to work tonight and all day tomorrow.

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. It did seem a bit “off” and unlikely as I was watching the video.

WTF?

Which part of her made her react poorly according to you? Was it because she’s black? Because she’s lesbian? Or, do only the combination of black and lesbian react in a way you don’t approve of to rioting?