You dare to speak ill of Farnum?
The nerve.
Well yeah. I’m saying I don’t think I’ve seen anyone decide to boycott all overtly religious companies based off Cathy’s remarks alone.
Oops, you said how many “in line” knew who Manino was. I didn’t go to CfA yesterday. I thought about it just because all the talk had made me hungry for a chicken bagel for breakfast, but even at that hour the line was waaay to long and I wasn’t interested in making a statement either way.
Not exactly wallowing. I’m pissed at Menino for being so fucking stupid as to give CFA and its supporters an out. Menino is a politician. He should know better.
I don’t get it. What are you trying to say here? I absolutely agree with everything above. Cathy is an individual and he is being held up as a representation of the right. That’s just how things go.
Or were you thinking that I was supporting CFA in some way?
For those keeping score at home: I tend to vote democratic. I’m gay. I’m in a same-sex marriage.
My comments about Menino are because I’m a lefty who is pissed at him for fucking things up for the left. Go back and read my post. It was in response to someone asking why CFA was making it out to be a freedom of speech issue. Factually speaking, the answer is because Menino’s saber rattling was an extremely-close-to/over-the-line violation of free speech rights. Now I’m all for holding CFA’s feet to the fire, but they have a legitimate beef (heh) with Mayor Menino. He opened the door and they are happily walking through it.
I just thought it was interesting how changing a couple of nouns gave the paragraph a completely opposite, yet equally valid meaning. It wasn’t a commentary on your stance, apologies if it seemed like it.
Wow. I don’t often give props to Fox News personalities, but “Yea Shepard Smith”.
I am so glad I don’t live in Jesusland. I had not heard a single word about this “Appreciation Day” before I got online yesterday morning and people were treating it like it was a National Holiday.
It was big news here that the Great American Beer Festival sold all 49,000 tickets in less than 45 minutes this morning.
Yeah I am gonna say that you don’t know how everyone there thinks as much as you think you do.
Irregardless of what your stand is on same sex marriage, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you agree with what the CFA owner said, then go eat there, if you don’t, then you have the right to protest and not eat there. What I find appalling is the political grand standing by those politicians who claim to have the power to bar CFA from their cities. First of all, it would be difficult for them to do so, secondly it is pretty rich of them to be accusing CFA of being intolerant, when they themselves are being intolerant of CFA’s views. Basically those politicians were just looking for some cheap airtime and votes. Disgusting.
Yes, do tell us of these noble religious people who oppose SSM on loving, open-hearted, magnanimous grounds.
That would be “politician,” singular, and he retracted his comments the next day.
I agree with most of what you say, and I do not like the political grandstanding by the Democratic mayors, etc, who are doing the sabre-rattling. For what it is worth I feel very differently about this show of support for Marriage Equality than I do about the judges who are deciding cases in favor of Marriage Equality who are then lambasted by people on the Right as being ‘activist judges’. I think they’re dumbasses exploiting an issue for short-term gain, or they’ve been in the game too long to realize how tone deaf they’ve become as to the consequences of acting as they have. Facilitating civil discourse instead of being divisive might have been a more successful mayoral approach.
But intolerance of intolerance is not intolerance if you get the cut of my jib, especially when the civil rights of a minority hang in the balance.
The tu quoque of being intolerant of intolerance is weak sauce.
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No, “politicians” is correct – Alderman Moreno and Mayor Emanuel in Chicago, and Mayor Menino in Boston, makes three, not one – and two of them retracted or refined his comments. 
Unless there’s some late news I’m unaware of, Alderman Moreno hasn’t softened.
That said, I disagree with Rhaegar that they “were just looking for some cheap airtime and votes”. At least in Alderman Moreno’s case, Chick-fil-A* is going to need zoning approval, and it is a custom in the Chicago City Council to defer on zoning matters to the alderman whose ward includes the proposed development. So it wouldn’t at all have been “difficult” – absent Moreno shooting his mouth off and stating why he was voting no 
– for him to block the Chik-fil-A proposed for his ward. Once denied zoning permission, Chik-fil-A could have then appealed the denial to the courts and raised the First Amendment issue, but in the meantime the restaurant wouldn’t proceed.
I also think the two mayors were sincere in their general disapproval of Chick-fil-A’s position and mis-spoke; had push came to shove with a piece of paper on his desk that actually needed a yes-or-no decision, I doubt either mayor would have kiboshed the permit (or rezone or whatever). That doesn’t make the disapproval mere grandstanding or the airtime “cheap”. :dubious:
*or whichever syllables get capitalized.
I honestly think that some people in this thread are hesitant to go against what they’ve been hearing their whole lives. It’s not even because they agree so much as they know perfectly good and nice people who don’t support same sex marriage. For some of us, it’s our family or former teachers or people we grew up with. We may not think like them but have a hard time condemning them to the Bigot Pit because these are the same people we played with, learned how to read from, went to with our troubles, etc. I know I often feel compelled to defend people I’ve known my whole life for being on ‘the wrong side of history’ when it comes to same-sex marriage.
That’s my .02.
Yes it is, just look it up.
Emmanuel didn’t say he wouldn’t allow the restaurant in Chicago, he just said the chain wasn’t “consistent with Chicago values.”
I’ll cop to not realizing Moreno and Menino were two different people, though.
Duh. What was I thinking? You obviously know the people I know better than I do. And since I used to be one of those bible thumping, gay bashing members, I can’t possibly know what I’m talking about there, either.
There aren’t enough roll eye smilies in the world to address that comment, so I can’t imagine taking you seriously anymore.
And I’m sorry, I don’t care that the people that raised me also have me good advice upon occasion or wiped my nose, held my hand and paid their taxes. They are denying a basic right to others JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN. Doesn’t affect or harm them in any possible way if two people of the same sex can get married, but they’ll be damned if they will fight to stop it. So by the same token, I have no problem calling those “good” folks bigots. I’m fucking sick of that shit, despite how “good” they may be in the rest of their lives. I bet everyone would feel differently if what they were doing was infringing on your life.
I’m well aware that if I knew what people who ran the majority of corporations really thought there’d be like a bodega I could shop at without feeling liberal guilty. So most of the time I just deal but when someone flaunts their assholery like Cathy, well, he’s poked a hole in my little self-imposed veil of ignorance and I feel like I should do something. (Well, if there was a chick-fil-a to not go to as a matter of principle instead of because it doesn’t exist.)
My philosophy on it is the same one I use with my kids: Do whatever you want if you can get away with it without my noticing. But if you bring it to my attention for whatever reason, there will be consequences.