Christian Fundamentalists vs. Halloween

This thread over in the Pit brought to mind the controversy that erupts around this time every year regarding the American religious right’s problem with Halloween. I realize some conservative Protestant sects have had a long-standing distaste for the holiday-formerly-known-as-Samhain but it seems as though their anti-Halloween proselytizing became louder and more aggressive since around 1980 (which, not coincidently, was the same time the religious right became a major political force in American politics–the Republican Party in particular). For example, Rev. Pat Robertson (who unsuccessfully sought the GOP presidential nomination and remains highly influencial in conservative circles) once advocated the banning of Halloween and used to almost have a fit on his program when describing the “evils” of the holiday. This certainly didn’t jibe with how I remembered the holiday when I went trick-or-treating and to Halloween parties during the 1970’s. My church never warned me that my soul would be damned the second I rang the first doorbell at the first house I went trick-or-treating to. It even put on Halloween parties!

Anyway, are the fundie anti-Halloween forces more strident now than they were before 1980? (And does anybody have any stories about any uncomfortable encounters with these people around Halloween?)

Wasn’t Halloween sort of a combination of pagan rituals and the eve of All Saints’ Day (Nov 1)?

I like Halloween/Bonfire Night/start of winter celebrations - the feeling of that time of year is the one thing I’ve missed living abroad for so many years, almost as much as a “proper” wintry Christmas.

They do feel unequivocally ancient and primeval. I don’t know why, but it sort of feels right as winter arrives to be at Steve the Pig Farmer’s yearly pig-roast high on the hillside, huddled round a huge bonfire, challenging the darkness of the night.

I also don’t have an issue with a pagan/Christian joint festival - after all, early Christians were just as much at the mercy of the weather and nature as early pagans were. Recognising and respecting the force of nature (which is the force of God anyway, from a Christian perspective) seems to me a nice thing to do.

Hallowe’en now is more fun and cartoony. But it’s still about “warding off evil” - which is surely a good thing, including from a fundie Christian point of view.

But I am sure there are plenty of people willing to make the connection between wearing a ghost-mask to get chocolate from nice Old Mrs Brown across the road, and fully-fledged Satan worship and infant sacrifice.

How could you have a pagan/Christian joint festival when the Bible says not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers and can two walk together except they be agreed? As a Christian, I wouldn’t join in on a joint festival with pagans. As far as Halloween goes our church does a thing called Truth or Treat as an alternative. The kids go from room to room learning Bible truths and get candy. They’re told not to wear any spooky costumes such as ghosts, goblins, or withces, etc.

If you won’t walk with Pagans, or be yoked to them, how do you feel about strolling with athiests?

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(sorry, I just had to)

This statement is funny on so many levels. First, read the history of your own religion. Then, get back to me on this.
P.S.: Boo! :wink:

I hope you have nothing to do with Christmas trees and denounce “Christians” who celebrate with them - since they are also a holdover from pagan ritual.

It’s pretty spooky how some traditions are okay and others get you damned.

http://www.heathens.worldonline.co.uk/halloween/history/index.html

Some of us got slammed last year for saying that in this thread. Apparently there’s no direct connection between Hallowe’en and Samhain.

“Truth or treat;” man, can you drain any more joy out of childhood?

No shit. What a drag.

Right on, everton.

Seeing as folks here are more educated about such things, I will defer to those who have a greater knowledge.

Ciao!

I am a christian, and my son and I go out trick or treating.
Our church does believe it is evil, re: the reason for Jack0-Lanterns, gory costumes, etc.

But they don’t stop us from going out.
They have a Harvest Party-no costumes, but candy!

Like i told my son, its all about costumes and candy.

As for Christmas, we put up a tree and all-its about the birth of Jesus-but like many others, i believe He was really born in September.

But its a Holiday with trees.
And?

And exchanging gifts and wreaths and outdoor lights and caroling and colored eggs and bunnies at Easter, etc., etc.

Dude, pagen joint festivals are pretty wild, I mean they grow the best weed.

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Why is it that so many fundamentalists are such humourless, dour people? Why can’t life be a joy, why must it always hinge on people doing evil ior worrying if you will be burning lakes of fire? Life is not just plain misery.

I think there must be a missing gene or something that prevents them from allowing either themselves to have any kind of fun and that makes them bitter enough to make sure other people can’t have any fun either.

Please don’t tell me you can only have fun worshiping because I can’t see the fun in groveling and feeling guilty about every little thought and deed you did no matter how minor. Ok that was a little broad but it certainly looks that way from outside.

[hijack]
Out of curiosity, vanilla, where does you get September for Christ’s birth? My understanding is that lambs are born in Spring, so I thought Christ was born around March or April, when I’ve given much thought to it. [/hijack]

Also, All Saints Day/All Souls Day is intended as a day when Christians are supposed to pray for the souls of the dead. While it may have been a pagan/druidic holiday over 1000 years ago, it has been a Christian holiday even longer. I thought the costumes, scary stories, etc., were to show our defiance of the forces of evil and mock them. After all, while a ghost might be scary, Joey Smith from next door in a white sheet or a rubber mask isn’t.

My own (Episcopal) church usually celebrates it by having kids dress up as various saints (usually an excuse for them to wear their Halloween costumes again, although some saints were princesses, soldiers, and brides), and sing a rousing chorus of I Sing A Song of the Saints of God. Each verse of this hymn, by the way, ends with the line “I mean to be one, too”, an indication that we are to aspire to sainthood, i.e. imitate Christ in our own lives.

I do believe in the existence of evil, but I don’t believe Halloween contributes to it. As an educated Christian, I object to people hijacking a Christian holiday to suit there own agendas. Christianity’s two most sacred holidays, Christmas and Easter both have deeply pagan roots – most notably in the case of Christmas, the timing; in the case of Easter, the name. People who object to Halloween are still scaring children, only instead of doing it with scary stories, they’re doing it with God. Personally, I’d much rather be afraid of The Bloody Hook!, than I would spending eternity in a lake of fire because I ran around and hit my neighbors up for candy.

Then again, this is just the opinion of someone who joined the SCA, so she has lots of excuses to dress up in costume. :wink:

CJ

Heck, I remember our principal in grade school-a nun, mind you, dressing up in a skeleton costume for Halloween.

Halloween is a dark and ancient ritualistic pagan holiday… that in almost all the traditions (jack-o-lanterns, trick or treating) dates back to 1929. Ironically, it seems to have more to do with Christian tradition than anything else, brought over from Europe with the religious portions of the tradition forgotten.

shrug I personally don’t celebrate Halloween and never have. I don’t think it’s a good idea; the question is always ‘what are you celebrating and why?’. At the same time, I thnk a person can be a Christian and still celebrate it. BTW, as a child I never believed in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy (in addition to no Halloween). Don’t think I missed out on anything important or had some lower quality of childhood as a result.

HEY! Super Gnat!

Are you a Robert Asprin fan by any chance?