See, now I don’t quite get that from the passage, myself. This is something I’ve always wondered about, in fact… “A man shall not lie with a man as he would with a woman”, yeah, I get that. But where exactly does the Bible forbid female/female relationships? Should I deduce from this that the Christian God has no problem at all with lesbians?
A pretty convincing argument that God is male, I’d say. 
Spiritus…well, are you?
Actually, you could make a case for the Leviticus passages banning bisexual behavior… “take your choice, man or woman, but don’t lie with one as with the other.”
Actually, you could make a case for the Leviticus passages banning bisexual behavior… “take your choice, man or woman, but don’t lie with one as with the other.”
Preparing for your GED while on your break as a janitor does not count.
If you are really interested in learning about this topic, why don’t you read it yourself? There are several free online bible resources.
Tabris- It does forbid female/female relationships, but I took that from the KJV version, so it is worded more strongly towards males.
You know, IANAMod, and I usually hate when people do what I’m about to do, but really jcmckaig, this is uncalled for. Attack the arguement, not the person.
Cite, please.
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Since you put “nerdly” in the same class as “straight” and “gay,” I have to assume that “nerdly” here means “unable to get any action due to his/her repulsive personality.”
(Which is true, by the way.)
See, I’ve always thought that loophole in that passage would be if they just didn’t do it lying down. Plenty of other positions to choose from.
I think by lying he meant sex. He just didn’t want to say that because he’s writing something holy.
And for the record, i’m still in highschool, and janitors aren’t necessarily stupid people.
Sins are not sins because they “hurt” anyone. They are sins because they are acts which are disobedient to God. Or, in other words, when a person decides to ignore God’s standards and apply his own standards, he is placing himself above God, or making himself a god.
Also, take a look at the Ten Commandments (if you want to use that as a basis for what’s sinful). Coveting, not keeping the Sabbath, bowing down to idols, worshiping other gods besides the Creator…that’s almost half of them, and just off the top of my head. But they don’t hurt anyone either.
Just FTR, I think whether or not coveting hurts someone else is debatable.
ssj- I asked you to support one of the main points of your OP, and you have not done so. Does this mean you concede the point? If so, your arguement is dead.
How is his entire argument dead? IIRC, you asked him to demonstrate that the majority of Christians really DO hold opinion X. That point, while interesting in and of itself, is far from a “main point”. It has nothing to do with the rest of his post. He’s talking specifically to those Christians that DO hold opinion X, so even if only one Christian did hold that opinion the rest of his post would still be applicable to that one person.
His entire argument would only be dead if NO Christians supported opinion X. 
Yes, i also said correct me if i’m wrong. So if i’m wrong, correct me. I never said i was right.
So can anyone still give me reasoning why being gay would be a sin? I could see it being a sin if the world was in dire need of human population, which it never was.
What is wrong with the boy trying to better himself? I see no attack in that.
Cite, please. **
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A cite for what? A cite that the KJV verion is more inclined to be male oriented? A cite that says lesbian sex is as “bad” as male?
The KJV version is more inclined to give male precedence, IMHO. (More so than other versions, though all of them do)
The female/female thing can’t possibly be what you were asking about, because I am sure you are smart enough to know God doesn’t play favorites. It is wrong for men to have same sex relationships, but it’s ok for women? :rolleyes:
Human population, no.
Jewish or Christian population, absolutely (at least, from the POV of those two groups).
After all, if you’re a small group you have two options for expanding (if that’s your goal): Assimilate others (convert, whatever) or breed.
I want you to prove to me that the Bible condemns female/female relationships.
Because, frankly, from what I recall reading of the darned thing, the Biblical authors didn’t give a rat’s ass what the women were doing, as long as they remembered to pop out that ever-important male heir to do whatever important task was out there.
Paul, BTW, doesn’t count. As far as I can tell, the man believed that no one, hetero or homo, should be having sex, ever, because any sex prevented a close relationship with G-d. (At least, until someone pointed out to him that not having sex would result in fewer and fewer Christians, I presume.) <— please note that the parenthetical is IMHO. It’s been a while since I read I Corinthians or II Corinthians.
Well…Because God said it was.
I don’t think he has to have a reason.
At this point I have had too many beers to go searching for a “cite” about female/female relationships, sorry. (told y’all I am not a God fearing person, I just like to read the good book)
Keep in mind though, the bible was not written by lawyers. It is a generalization.
Hypothetical question:
Let’s say for the sake of argument, that there IS a God, and there IS a God.
If you are a lesbian, when you die, are you seriously going to argue the exact dictation of the bible with God? This isn’t Bill Clinton arguing the definition of the word “is”.
That answer only works if you believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God, you know.
I don’t. I don’t believe ssk does, either (I could be wrong).
What I think is that a certain amount of human error must have snuck into the Bible because humans wrote it.
I also think that the laws as written probably had reasons at the time (I forget…how many centuries ago was that? ;)) Just because I don’t necessarily know the social or health or whatever reason that necessitated the inscription of a given law doesn’t mean there wasn’t one.
Similarly, just because such a law was necessary when written doesn’t mean it has any real relevance today.
Frankly, I think if many Christians (Jewish MMV) would focus on Jesus’ two commandments:
Love thy God
Love thy neighbor as thyself
We’d have a lot fewer problems in the world. But that’s just me - and I know that a lot of Christians (those truly worth the name) do live that way.