Given the timing and what you ordered, your beverage ought to have come in a Diwali-themed cup (although I have no idea what that would look like).
Al Yankovic

Given the timing and what you ordered, your beverage ought to have come in a Diwali-themed cup (although I have no idea what that would look like).
Satanbucks!

So, could someone give me a near-correct answer as to who started this War on Christmas? Was it some Jew? Or some Puritan? Or some other Christian who just doesn’t get enough of it?
Does anyone really take this seriously? Ever since I first heard about this Starbucks red cups thing, I’ve had trouble believing it was anything more than one or two lone nuts, and maybe even they were just trolling—except, Poe’s Law.
Trump has jumped on it. As part of his, “When I’m President, we will all say ‘Merry Christmas.’” Even though his own advertising says Happy Holidays.
It’s because they’re all too dim to realize that ‘Holidays’ is directly derived from “Holy Days” !
It’s gives me pause to wonder, just how stupid are these people?
Kwanzaa is a holy day? Same with Hanukkah? I for one don’t believe Christmas is.
Yes, she was.
I know this is the Pit and all but… I just wanted to say this was lovely., Eutychus.
Given the timing and what you ordered, your beverage ought to have come in a Diwali-themed cup (although I have no idea what that would look like).
Lights. Lights of lights. We could re-use the cups for Hanukkah!
(I kid, I kid.)
I guess someone has to tell me when I’m supposed to be outraged.
Where have you been? Cavorting with ISIS? The Media told you to be outraged like a week ago.
Persephone was the reason for the season.
Actually, in the original Greek myth, Persephone’s annual stay with Hades and Demeter’s mourning over it explained summer, not winter. Greek winters are mild and damp, summers are hot and dry, but the myth got reinterpreted by North-Euros to whom winter is the barren time.
Actually, in the original Greek myth, Persephone’s annual stay with Hades and Demeter’s mourning over it explained summer, not winter. Greek winters are mild and damp, summers are hot and dry, but the myth got reinterpreted by North-Euros to whom winter is the barren time.
I heard this from a friend a couple years ago…and I don’t believe it withstands the test.
Check out Hesiod’s Works and Days, when he tells you how to know what time to plant and what time to harvest. The winter is defined by the time of the rising of various constellations, so there can be no ambiguity.
Also, I have talked with several people who live in Greece, and they say no: planting is in the spring and harvest is in the fall. Summers are hot, and winters are cold. Greece isn’t far enough south to have tropical climate patterns. Even as far south as Jerusalem, the winters are cold, sometimes even snowy, and summers are hot and nasty. But there, too, summertime is the growing season, not the barren season.
Please, though: please, I beseech you in the bowels of Ouranos: if you have a cite for this, get it to me, here or in a PM. I’ve been trying to find a cite for the claim, as you made it and as I heard it, for the last two years, and I’ve found nothing.
I wrote to four different classical studies professors at various universities…but never heard back from any of them. Hmph. So much for academia!
No wonder there’s so many Internet trolls. Some lone voice complains and it becomes front page news. Or should I say, Clickbait Headline. It pays to whine online.
My theory is that Starbux aided and abetted this for the publicity.
I heard this from a friend a couple years ago…and I don’t believe it withstands the test.
Check out Hesiod’s Works and Days, when he tells you how to know what time to plant and what time to harvest. The winter is defined by the time of the rising of various constellations, so there can be no ambiguity.
Also, I have talked with several people who live in Greece, and they say no: planting is in the spring and harvest is in the fall. Summers are hot, and winters are cold. Greece isn’t far enough south to have tropical climate patterns. Even as far south as Jerusalem, the winters are cold, sometimes even snowy, and summers are hot and nasty. But there, too, summertime is the growing season, not the barren season.
Please, though: please, I beseech you in the bowels of Ouranos: if you have a cite for this, get it to me, here or in a PM. I’ve been trying to find a cite for the claim, as you made it and as I heard it, for the last two years, and I’ve found nothing.
I wrote to four different classical studies professors at various universities…but never heard back from any of them. Hmph. So much for academia!
Unfortunately, my only cite is TVTropes, and even a UsefulNotes page, but the ““Just So” Story” page.
According to one Greek myth, winter happens when Persephone, daughter of the harvest goddess Demeter, is forced to stay in the Underworld with her husband Hades for six months (due to eating six seeds). Demeter gets so depressed that she refuses to let anything grow.
◦ In the original version, Persephone’s presence in the underworld coincided with the scorching summer months, which were much deadlier than the mild Mediterranean winters. The story got flipped around as it was relayed to the north.
Which, BTW, is immediately followed by:
• Older Than Dirt: The Sumero-Babylonian culture had a story about the origin of seasons: Inanna (Ishtar) Descends to the Underworld. The goddess in question goes to visit her sister Ereshkigal, Queen of the Underworld, and is killed there. Her priestess friend (and another deity) bring her Back from the Dead, but she is not allowed to go back home unless she brings back a suitable substitute… her own beloved husband, Dumuzi, because he wasn’t visibly in mourning while she was gone. His sister pleads to be taken instead. Ultimately, the sister spends six months down there (summer, because Ishtar is with her true love) and Dumuzi spends winter down there (everything goes dormant because Ishtar misses him so much).
◦ The form where the seasons are flipped has also been told (scorching summer when she is separated from her love, mild, pleasant, rainy winter—crops still grow in the wintertime in southern Mesopotamia—when they are together). It’s possible that both versions were known in Ancient Mesopotamia, as lower/southern Mesopotamia is a flat lowland with a much warmer climate than mountainous upper/northern Mesopotamia (to this day there are strong cultural differences between these regions, which the ethnic and religious divisions of modern Iraq only exacerbate).
BrainGlutton: Thank’ee most kindly! This has been a kind of bete noir of mine for a couple years. Maybe I should toss it to Uncle Cecil! (I actually did ask it once in General Questions, but didn’t get much help.)
No wonder there’s so many Internet trolls. Some lone voice complains and it becomes front page news. Or should I say, Clickbait Headline. It pays to whine online.
It wouldn’t resonate as being real if we weren’t already flooded with not-quite-as-ridiculous real War on Christmas shit over the last few years. This does seem like the sort of thing those assholes would get in a tizzy about.
What is this ‘Christmas’ everyone is going on about? I seem to dimly recall some winter holiday by that name, but it’s all a bit fuzzy.
Hmmmm… I think I’d like to start a movement forcing anyone taller than me (5’6") to scrunch down to my height in public.