Mod noting is dinging.
Ugh, I’m so upset about this miscarriage, I left the snips out of my previous posts !
The warning and rude swipe were bullshit.
OK, it wasn’t retaliatory, I’m not sure if anyone really wanted to give her that warning. But it is pretty much a do this and you’re going to get a warning situation. But hey, I was just wrong about “snipping” so I’m willing to be proved wrong again.
Why don’t you check with Helena and see if she is even upset over it?
As a poster I supported Helena’s post, Dale has been overdue for a wider topic ban. I’m one of several mods that got the ball rolling on this and there was no dissent which is unusual.
In the short time I’ve been modding we pretty much hand out warnings for disputing moderation in thread unless it is a new poster.
Sure, but you get my point. Having had to issue warnings myself on principal in the past, there are ways of doing it that don’t sound like this one did.
I’m confused, all Chronos wrote was “As requested, here’s your Warning.”
Did I miss something else?
The warning in the thread says:
I’m betting she’s so upset about the blatant misogyny that she doesn’t really care.
Fwiw, a topic ban is “points on his license.” A lot more points than the average warning, too.
He wrote:
She did not ask for it or wish to receive a warning. That is the petty part. She said she take it, and she felt Chronos’ threat to warn people who complained was bad form, but she wasn’t “wishing for a warning”.
I thought mods were free to mod their forums as they liked? Wasn’t that why tomndebb refused to mod hate speech, and Miller scrupulously followed the letter of the old bullshit Pit language rules but didn’t often warn for them?
So one can only conclude that Chronos wanted to warn Helena. if not as retaliation, then what?
Why does that matter? I’m not objecting to white knight one poster, but because I want to know the rules will applied not just robotically, but justly - because they apply to me, too.
Sure, no, I totally get what you’re saying.
Is it recorded somewhere other than that mod note and a sticky thread? It used to be that only warnings were actually preserved. If it is, then OK, yeah, no other warning necessary.
Isn’t it really a “broadening” of a preexisting topic ban? So, like a license restriction of “no driving at night” broadened to “no driving at night or if it is raining”?
Meanwhile, you’re free to keep driving, even though you’ve totaled seventeen cars.
It is preserved and remembered. Also if he violates it, the suspensions start and not a 1 day.
Yeah. That warning is blatant tone policing. People get to be enraged about the status quo being upheld over common decency, even if they break the rules to express it.
It was retaliatory, even if that wasn’t the intent.
For the love of god, can you repost this in yellow so MrDibble can stop with the 250-point-font SNIPS already?
Are you asking me to cut you a little slack for not cutting Helena any slack? Because that’s a hard request.
I’ve been here 12 years. In that time, I’ve only seen people moderated for discussing moderation if they persisted or had also violated another rule. I’m sure of it.
I’m not going to do an exhaustive search. But I can look for all mentions of “ATMB” by a mod made outside of ATMB itself.
The first relevant results I found was this one:
That was to Paul_in_Saudi, who is not a new poster.
Here’s the relevant part of another post:
mordecaiM is not a new poster.
This was apparently to Mallard, who is not a new poster (been here since 2013).
These were the top three I found. Not a single one gives out a Warning. It seems your memory on this is faulty.
Note: do to how search is set up, I found it easier to pick a mod and a forum. So I chose @What_Exit, since his claim was specifically that he usually gave Warnings. I then looked at GD first, then IMHO. These were the top results that actually were relevant.
It’ll stop now:
Ok, you caught me. I tend to try not to give out warnings. Sorry about that.
I’m going to leave now as I probably should have just stayed out of here completely.
I get that she broke a rule and earned the warning, but I and I think others think that Chronos was way too nasty in the way he did it. It’s “Helena330 also violated a rule and I am issuing a warning for that” vs. “Since you want a warning I’m giving you one.” It sounds like he’s more annoyed with her for calling out the problem than he is with the jerky post that started all of it in the first place.
I’ve been accused of having some baseless animus and hostility over the moderation style and/or mods on the board. After reading this thread I kinda insist the “baseless” part is, well, fucking baseless.
While I’m happy to criticize the mods when they do bad, I frankly think they handled this one well. I think given dale’s pattern of behavior, which I’ve seen in a few threads, the Topic Ban is more than warranted. It’s obvious he has some sort of issue with female athletes and is compelled to be nasty about it anytime a thread gives him even a minor opportunity to post about it. Quibbling about whether he deserved an in-thread warning vs mod noting, I think is kind of ehhh, it’s a discretionary call. Plus as they noted he had gotten warned during all this for misogny in another thread, so I can see the argument about not doing two warnings. He ate a warning for misogny and is banned from discussing female athletes going forward. That to me feels like the mods built ground for him to continue as a non-disruptive poster in other contexts, or to hang himself with the rope he’s already drawn if he can’t control himself. I think that’s basically a balanced way to have gone about it.
Helena’s warning seems like a close call to me, I’ve received a few warnings over the years FWIW and I don’t think they are a big deal. I’ve never seen non-socks get banned without receiving multiple warnings and usually a very clear “final warning”, and AFAIK long ago warnings kind of fall off your permanent record in terms of whether they hold it against you. Like I don’t think someone who ate 3 warnings in 2007 and then a 4th in 2021 is typically getting banned for it. One warning is not that egregious unless you’re doing things that are going to generate more in rapid succession, which usually the mods do give you a pathway away from doing that if you follow their notes.
There’s a selfish reason for me. I like reading Helena’s contributions to the board, and I know that an ill-aimed warning can leave a bad taste in one’s mouth. If she doesn’t give a shit about the warning, I don’t really, either. But I’d hate for this to be something that made a good poster not feel like posting here as much.
If it were an unambiguous situation, it’d be different; but this is a situation where slack can be, and often is, cut.