Church of Latter Day Saints: WTF on Valentine's Day?

Okay, WTF?

I’m enjoying Valentine’s Day evening with my fiance.

8:30 PM

Knock on the door.

“Hello, I’m Brother Wossname.”

“And I’m Elder So-and-so.”

Me: “Yes, I noticed.”

Them: “We’re here to tell you about Christ.”

Me: “I love Christ. However, I am in the middle of enjoying Valentine’s Day evening with my fiance. Have a good evening, gentlemen.”

Seriously, WTF?

They don’t celebrate “pagan holidays” (of which St Valentine’s is definitely one despite the name) and one of their favorite visiting days is their own Sabbath, so what I don’t understand is your surprise…

Nava, our main surprise was the time of day. 8:30PM? C’mon!

And I thought it was the JWs that didn’t observe those holidays.

Shrug, the LDS observe for example birthdays but the blondeclones around here are all about religious holidays only otherwise. Maybe they’re being extra-uptight due to the whole missionary thing.

But how can you enjoy Valentine’s Day without Christ?
It’s romantic!!!
Valentines Day is about love.
Jesus loves.

See? It’s perfect!!! :slight_smile:

What could possibly be wrong???

I sure hope the Mormons knock on my door too–Maybe it’ll work as an omen that I’m about to get [del]lucky[/del] romantic.
Hmmmmm…I think I’ll have to call them myself, and tell 'em to get over to my house fast

In fact, I think I’ll have to call them over and over and over again. :frowning:

Hey, if your preferences go towards blonde ken dolls it’s a porn in the making…

It’s no different from a salesman who knocks on your door on Thanksgiving dinner.

I don’t think most people consider Valentine’s Day to be such a sacred holiday that no type of outside interaction is allowed. And 9pm is generally the cutoff for door-to-door solicitations.

Perhaps you have them mixed up with another faith.

They do in fact celebrate Valentines day, though not as a religious holiday. Teens and adults have Valentines dance and dinners to celebrate. Often in February the focus of the classes will be about maintaining and increasing love and intimacy in relationships and reminders to honor your relationship with a bit of attention to your spouse. Although they would typically be held on a Friday or Saturday rather than the Sabbath.

I don’t know what’s up with 8:30 p.m. knocks on the door though, particularly on a holiday. Inconsiderate to be sure.

Yeah well, like I said, the ones hereabouts aren’t with their spouses, it’s always ken-pairs and I understand those aren’t supposed to be married to each other. You seem to describe behavior in their natural environment.

The missionaries are to be back in their apartment by 8:30 p.m. On that basis alone, I don’t buy that the door-knocker were Mormons. I’d have to go with you confused them with another faith.

FYI: The correct name of the Mormon church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Please forgive my error. I know the correct name. I was trying to fit it in the thread title, and figured y’all would know what I meant.

It was actually a few minutes before 8:30.

Given that the day was Sunday, my fiance and I had already been to church.

And yes, they were Mormon missionaries. I could tell by their nametags. I’ve had Mormon friends, and I also saved a cell phone for some local missionaries who happened to eat lunch at the same restaurant I frequented (one of them left a phone on the table; I saw them leave, noticed the phone, and turned it in to the manager before somebody could steal it).

They weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses. I posted many years ago about my last encounter with a JW, but I’ll recap. I was waiting at a bus stop, reading a book, when a car pulled over and a drop-dead gorgeous woman in a little black dress stepped out of the passenger side and approached me. She said, “I see you like to read. May I offer you some other reading material?” as she offered me an issue of The Watchtower. I told her, “No, I’m good.”

Dang, though. Need more missionaries like that.

Back a couple of years ago, the Mormon church announced that it was going to have missionaries do less door-to-door and more proselyting via the Internet. Door-to-door tracting is one of the biggest wastes of time, but a huge time filler. I hated it.

Looks like the Internet approach didn’t work either.

It happens.

Fact checking.

I’ve seen missionaries here in Taiwan out past 9:00 stopping people on the street, and they say that they are returning from a lesson.

It should never be assumed that missionaries are following the rules. These are, after all a bunch of 18- and 19year-olds, with the level of maturity which one can safely assume they possess.

There have also been numerous examples of abuses within the system where overly zealous missionary presidents push for large numbers of baptisms and openly flout regulations.

One of the most famous was the case of “baseball baptisms” in the late 1950s and early 1960s where the missionaries in the UK set up baseball teams of boys who were usually underprivileged or from single parent homes. They would provide free trips to other cities with the catch that the boys had to join the church. Large numbers of baptisms resulted, although very few of the youth actually ever attended church.

In South America, they same sort of thing occurs with soccer baptisms. Poor children, “rich” American guys and it’s easy to fill the quota.

I’ve previously outlined my experience with the abuse of the missionary system in Japan. I was there at the very end of it when we were cleaning up the mess.

The area authority, the person in charge of all nine missions in Japan, decided to take the Tokyo South mission from baptizing less than 100 per month to over 2,000 per month. That would be 20 converts per companionship each month. The results were pretty well predictable. I have friends who were up in Tokyo partying hard. From a previous post I’ve made:

Note: Groberg was the president of the Tokyo South Mission where the worst of the abuse happened.

As I wrote in the post, I really didn’t like what was happening.

So, staying out a little late for more numbers would be the least of the concerns.

Missionaries are encouraged to proselyte on Sundays and holidays

I served an LDS mission.

Typical scenario: Missionaries have an 8:00pm appointment; they get stood up; they’re supposed to be out doing the Lord’s work until 9:00 (I dunno where Monty is getting his information). Door knocking is almost useless, but it’s taboo (if not explicitly against the rules) to just blow off the last hour of the workday. And hey, we haven’t knocked doors in that neighborhood lately.

Mormons celebrate Valentine’s day as well as most local holidays. But the full-time missionaries generally take the FULL-TIME thing pretty seriously, and are not permitted to talk to their girlfriends even on special days. I wouldn’t be surprised if the elders completely forgot that Feb 14 was a holiday.

You need a copy of the Book of Mormon CD to greet them with.

It does seem like an odd time. We bought our house from Mormons 20 years ago, so we must have the blood of a lamb on our lintel or something since missionaries pass over us.

Is that supposed to be late or something?

emph. mine.

They never introduce themselves as “brother.”
You are “brother” Rik, they refer to themselves as “elder.”

I’m old, so I would not be happy to have anyone knock on the door at 8:30. Unless it’s someone I know, I don’t want anyone knocking after dark.

But Valentine’s Day would mean nothing to me. I don’t think of it as a real holiday, although I send cards and all of that. It would never occur to me that someone would be surprised I dropped by on Valentine’s Day, anymore than Groundhog Day, Flag Day, or Pi Day.

You’re totally confused. You realize missionaries are allowed to use the phone 2 times a year, Christmas and Mother’s Day to call home? And they have to use the phone at a members home to do that because, well, they aren’t allowed to have or use cell phones. There’s no way they were missionaries.

ETA, they may have recently allowed some phones for carrying in less secure areas, for safety. I’m not sure about everywhere.

You’re totally confused. That may have been true in some regions and in some decades, but certainly not universal in the 21st and late 20th centuries.

When I was a missionary in Tahiti in the late '90s, all missionary homes had telephones. Missionaries are expected to be in frequent communication with the mission president, with the mission chain of command, with the local members, and with prospective recruits. Only a very few had cell phones, but all had land lines.

More recently, when I was a (non-missionary) Mormon in the U.S., the missionaries phoned us from a cell phone every month to tell us they’d be late for dinner.

You are correct (at least in my experience) that missionaries are allowed to call home only on Christmas and Mother’s Day.