Are you trying to prove my point?
Let’s see…stole from a charity…vs the guy who stomped his baby to death…vs the people who ran a club for folks to watch children being forced to have sex…Nope. still has not registered on my patented Awful Human Beings meter.
It is not a zero sum game. We can condemn them all.
You “Awful Human Beings Meter” appears to be binary. There is a patent out there for a guy that has one that has sliding scale who is going to make your patent worthless.
I think we are talking at cross purposes. Clinton’s adultery did not become public until about 1997–and he had already been elected. To me, the Clinton test is one of media frenzy and finger pointing-not being removed from office or leaving voluntarily. I see no media frenzy on the Right re Cindy’s past um, predilections. Nor do I see any outrage from the Right regarding the destruction of McCain’s first marriage.
The Right is so very odd when it comes to marriage and all that it entails. They cry that marriage is between one man and one woman; that marriage is sacred and that (and this is implied) moral people are married, that being married and churchgoing and faithful are Very Important Things–and yet they go gaga over a divorced man (Reagan), vilify a woman for standing with her husband through his adultery and subsequent hounding(Hillary), and don’t cavil at trolling for sex in a men’s room (Craig), internet sexual advances to pages (Foley), and now Cindy and McCain. You can bet that if Obama was divorced or a masher his lack of “family values” would be all over the press, but I digress. Now, 14 years is a long time ago and I agree that this affair may not be pertinent. However, I will say that the GOP has made it pertinent by their continuous emphasis on “family values”. I’m amazed Dan Quayle hasn’t come out from whatever rock he now resides under to shake his finger at Obama’s mother… Murphy Brown lives!
And that IS my exact point. Where is the Right’s outrage and dismay that such an immoral candidate is in a position to spread his cancer of adultery all through this great land of ours? It’s there quick enough when the other side of the aisle cheats.
I don’t recall that 60 Minutes episode. I was never a huge fan of Clinton’s, but loathed Reagan and Bush and was worried about Roe v Wade–I had no choice, really. But then a funny thing happened–the Right was so outraged and so outrageous regarding a simple blowjob that my sympathy tilted toward the recipient and the silly, stupid woman who gave it to him, rather than the people who were foaming at the mouth over a private matter.
My experience varies from yours. If I heard it once in the preschool hallway, I heard it 100 times: " We can thank Clinton for my having to tell Miranda and Logan about sex last night." That sort of thing. I live in essentially a Republican suburb–I heard it at country club functions, at church, at the grocery store. And woe betide anyone who didn’t jump on the outraged virtue bandwagon! It was tiresome as hell, as all lockstep positions are.
Wow. Just kind of, eh? Poor Mrs Shodan. Interesting how you can dismiss what is supposed to be so sacred for your party.
Stealing furnishings? How pathetic. You have as much of a hard on of hate for this guy as you claim the liberals do for Bush. Shall we play some kind of tit for tat sexual and vulgar behavior one upmanship?
Americans are prudish about sex. Conservatives are that much more so. IMO, the outrage came not from the lies and machinations, but from the scandal of it all (and the titillation). If it came down to it, I’d rather have a randy ass leader in the WH (be him an adulterer who marries his paramour or not) who can actually lead, than one who lies about war, covers up, funds dictators (Reagan) and weapons deals, hires incompetent buddies and 22 year olds to sell arms and mercenaries who answer to no one, all the while spouting inane comments inarticulately. We can each choose what outrages us more, Shodan. So, while I do not approve of McCain’s actions or those of Cindy, as I said before I will not vote for him for this and other reasons–such as those stated in my previous post re McCain sucking up to Bush despite his ill treatment by Bush etc. Don’t get me wrong, the adultery still matters to me as a count against him. It counts against anyone, in my book. But it is not the only factor.
You must be answering Dio at this point, since I never mentioned Kerry once. If Kerry was cheating, I never heard it during the previous campaign. Perhaps I didn’t hear of it because I was too busy being told that he really didn’t earn those 2 purple hearts in Vietnam. Yes, the GOP is such a patriotic party and supports those troops like nobody’s business…
Given that you have not made it a point to condemn the several tens of thousands of other women in the U.S. who have engaged in adultery or the somewhat smaller subset of women who have stolen drugs in order to support an addiction, the clear conclusion is that you are either trying to tie Cindy McCain’s actions to John McCain’s run for the presidency or you are resorting to Recreational Outrage for the purpose of trolling.
I don’t really care which, but your OP remains an impressive act of stupidity.
I really don’t care much for John McCain;
His wife had an addiction to painkillers. To feed this addiction she stole from her charity.
She got caught.
She admitted guilt, apologized, did a bit of community service.
Much as I don’t like the McCains, once she admitted guilt and amended as best she could, I consider that issue closed.
Now, whether or not she looks like a ghoul on the cover of NewsWeek - that’s another story ;D
Not sure about Cindy. Sometimes she looks doable, other times like Ann Coulter after an extended nap in a food dehydrator.
Then again, I’m not all that attracted to Michelle Obama either. Are there any other criteria we’re supposed to be judging them on? Civic duty, and all that.
Actually, that’s not true. He was the defendant in a sexual harassment case with Paula Jones. The law says a superior’s past actions can be taken into account to show a pattern of behavior. When asked about his relationship with Monica he lied. So, no, it was not a private matter between he and Hillary. If he had not been involved in that case I would agree with you. But he was.
The blow job from Monica did not involve any allegations of harrassment or coersion, so it had no relevance to the PJ complaint (which was dismissed for lack of merit, by the way). It was absolutely a private issue and the question would not have been permitted to be asked in any actual trial.
Also, Clinton didn’t lie. The question was structured in such a way that his answer was not technically untruthful. They gave him a loophole and he took it.
Do you even know what this thread is about?
The phrase above up to the first comma is true, everything else is false.
The relevance to the Paula Jones lawsuit was that it demonstrated a pattern where Clinton became sexually involved with his subordinates. The judge in the case ruled that Jones was “entitled to information regarding any individuals with whom President Clinton had sexual relations or proposed to or sought to have sexual relations and who were, during the relevant time frame, state or federal employees.”
And your description of the Paula Jones lawsuit is somewhat lacking. The Clinton administration first argued that the President could not be sued until after he left office (because he was so busy running the country). The Supreme Court unanimously ruled against that idea (especially after Clinton was shown playing golf). The judge in the case summarily dismissed the charge, not for lack of merit, but because under Arkansas law Jones could not demonstrate damages. This decision was appealed (and two of the three judges on the appeals court appeared sympathetic to Jones) and accordingly, Clinton settled the suit, paying the full amount originally asked for (most of which went for legal fees).
This is also false. Clinton was told very specifically that the definition of sex in the lawsuit included fondling and oral sex. (Cite.).
In April 1999, the judge in the case found that Clinton had indeed deliberately made false and misleading statements, and ordered him to pay Paula Jones a further $91,000 in damages as a result. As a result, Clinton was disbarred for five years.
Regards,
Shodan
I’ve already won this argument many times before. No reason to do it again. The question was immaterial and Clinton didn’t lie.
Being unconvinced in your own mind does not constitute winning, you know. By that standard, my three year old “wins” every time he refuses to eat his peas.
I’d answer “yes”. Who a person decides to spend their time with is important. Anyone who has felt helpless while watching their daughter or little sister associate with scumbags understands this.
Not that I think Cindy McCain is a scumbag, however. It actually seems like she’s become a pretty decent person since then.
It must be hard to type with your fingers in your ears.
I dunno, I think someone’s choice of life-mate says something deep about their character.
Cindy is an undeniable bimbo and trophy wife, poor little rich girl who fell into a drug addiction. Are people so sympathetic to the society heiresses on The Hills who develop drug addictions? At least those girls don’t then steal from their charity causes to fund it. How about, when you’re from a MULTIMILLIONAIRE family, you don’t STEAL drugs from a CHARITY? It’s despicable. Plenty of wealthy people have drug habits without theft from charitable organizations. It’s not the drug addiction that’s the issue.
I think he uses his elbows.
Regards,
Shodan
Ok, I am not going to vote for Cindy McCain.
But then, I am not going to vote for Michelle Obama, either.
I guess I will leave the “First Lady” line blank on my ballot.
Tris
However, the First Ladies I Would Love to Boink ballot, no contest.
She has a masters in special education from USC, had a career teaching Down Syndrome children at a local high school before she took over the family business, is the chair of Hensely & Co. and on the board of directors for Operation Smile, CARE, and the HALO Trust. There’s lots of things you can call Cindy McCain, but bimbo is not one of them.