This will absolutely be the “Dean Scream” of her campaign.
Doubtful. Wasn’t Dean still the presumptive front-runner at that point in his campaign?
All I see is a lot of talk from people who wouldn’t have voted for her anyway. Who’s seriously going to be swayed by this? People have had years and years to make up their minds about Hillary Clinton. Are there still a huge number of fence-sitters out there, who might have decided to vote for her if she hadn’t given a vaguely emotional answer to a personal question?
Honestly, stuff like this makes me wonder what in the hell the point is of supporting any Democratic candidate at all. One of these days Obama is going to get hay fever, and then everyone’ll be like, “Oh my god, his eyes look so puffy and bloodshot! His voice is mildly slurred! This man’s candidacy is over!” Edwards was a lawyer, so we know that he’s a lost cause already. The Republicans may have the Iraq war and Guantanamo hanging around their necks, but at least their candidates don’t betray emotion in unguarded campaign moments! I hear that Huckabee has an interesting take on abortion rights, but you don’t hear him getting all squishy about it.
Of course Bush could rely on Republican discipline to vote him back into office no matter how many people he killed or how many walls he walked into. The man told jokes about how lucky he was to have 9/11 occur, and people still voted him back into office! What the hell is the matter with you people? Watching Republican versus Democratic campaigns is like Rollerball vs. the Special Olympics.
I hope Huckleberry gets the Rep. nomination; that’ll send more moderates and independents to the Dem’s.
Except it’s hardly a similar episode. I was a kid at the time but I remember the footage of Muskie standing outside literally weeping with anger and frustration and shaking his fist in the air. That’s not what I see in the footage of Hillary. I see a moment when her emotions almost bring her to tears. She’s also speaking about her love of this country and her concern about where we are heading rather than what the bad man said about her or Bill. I suspect, given the words around the moment, that it may have been a little contrived for effect. Maybe not.
I’ve never been a real fan of Bill or Hillary because I saw them as too much of the political animal who would eventually sell out the good of the public for the sake of political success. Even feeling that way I’ve considered that a political animal may be the right thing to be in modern politics in order to get some things done.
I think this incident is blown entirely out of proportion and the public will dismiss it even if the media wants to run with it.
Does anyone know if this footage is on the web anywhere? I’ve suddenly been hearing about it, but I’ve never seen it. The wikipedia article linked to upthread says he tried to play it off as melting snowflakes on his cheeks, which makes me wonder if it was slightly more than Hillary’s “breakdown” or if, as **cosmosdan **remembers it, it was more dramatic than that. Just curious, really.
As I remember it, it was brief but quite emotional. As the article says,Muskie felt the guy had attacked his wife and he was pissed. He called the guy a coward and challenged him to come out and face him {I think} You could hear the breaking in his voice and it sure didn’t look like melting snow.
As a teenager I remember thinking “What’s the big deal? He was mad and he expressed it. It’s nice to see that human side” As a more mature adult I understand the concern.
I was living in Maine then and it got more coverage there
I can forgive the tears, but did she really have begin ululating and blow her nose on her sleeve?
…six seven eight. But seriously, folks. I really wish I’d watched the video before reading the thread. That momentary show of “emotion” was a “crackup” like a hiccup is a grand mal seizure.
One can debate, I suppose, whether the tiny blip of sensitivity was completely sincere (and I personally don’t think it was, because it was oddly placed, trailed by world-weary “If only I didn’t care SO MUCH!” platitudes worthy of a Very Special Episode of Oprah, and because I am admittedly predisposed to disbelieve everything the woman says and does) but for shit’s sake, she barely paused. At least Dean’s scream was an actual scream.
I did a little checking. Couldn’t find the Muskie video but found a couple of interesting links
here is an article by someone who worked for Muskie at the time and claims the crying incident was over blown by the press. Especially the press that wanted to make Muskie look bad.
Check out this article about Hillary and see an example. Does this represent an accurate description of the video? IMO the headline alone is misleading.
here is another article about the Muskie incident. I thought the list of dirty tricks by the Nixon folks was pretty interesting. Perhaps thats where Rove got his inspiration.
NO, not at ALL! Yeah, the headline is wrong, and this quote is just bullshit:
She never acknowledged any such thing! She said (at least this was what I took from it) that campaigning, no matter how hard it gets, was very important to her because “they” were making things very very bad for women and for our country and things need to change.
Bizzaro-world.
I know. The sad thing is that this is just the beginning.
Not to nitpick, but you did ask for two separate criteria in cites (please see your post# 91); you asked me for hard data or studies done on percentages, and you asked me for examples of the press making gender an issue. I gave you examples of both. The Post article may not have had hard data in it, but it was most assuredly an example of what the press feels is criteria for a female candidate.
Whether her emotion was genuine or not, or even if it didn’t exist, she’s doing her best to use it to her advantage. This is from CNN’s political ticker:
The “other-oriented” stuff is pretty funny, anyway.
Exactly my thoughts exactly.
:mad:
(and I’m not even a fan of Clinton, to be clear)
-FrL-
What makes you think so? Huckabee is decidedly moderate in all areas except the “values” issues. In fact, the criticism of him from within the Republican Party is that he’s too liberal, not a real conservative.
As for the religion question, well, sad to say, but most Americans agree with him on evolution. Most Americans also agree with him in opposing gay marriage.
Huckabee has distanced himself from Bush’s foreign and domestic policies to such a degree that I don’t think voters will punish him as a Bush surrogate. And Huckabee’s personal charm is undeniable. In debates, he’s a lot looser and more at ease than Obama has been.
Beating Huckabee will be a challenge, I suspect. He should not be taken lightly.
I remember seeing it at the time, and thereafter. It was clearly no big deal by today’s standards. But let us remember that the public’s attitude toward men’s emotions has come a long way since then. In 1972, men were not supposed to express emotions publicly, with the exception of anger. So we’ve come a long way in accepting men as human beings, but apparently not women.
During the campaign Clinton has developed the reputation of ‘Ice Queen’ and America won’t elect a Thatcher. Awhile back The Daily Show had a series of clips of her laughing in interviews for no apparent reason (other than as an attempt to smooth over her image).
This was an act. It will work. Bet.
Has anyone seen Bill Clinton today? He ripped in Obama like no body’s business, claiming that Obama said he didn’t know how he’d vote on the Iraq AUMF in 2002, and that he said there was no difference between himself and Bush on the war in 2004. WTF? That can’t be correct, can it? OTOH, I’d be surprised to Clinton out and out lie about this-- there must be something out there that he’s referencing, although I suspect he’s putting a lot “spin” on it, to put things politely.
More dirty politicking from the Clintons. Obama was being gracious and humble in 2004 when he said that, not being in the Senate and not privy to the same information, he couldn’t say for sure what he would have done. Here 's the Nytimes story. I think Obama comes out looking pretty good.
OK, that makes sense. That’s one of the things I like about Obama. I can be as certain as is possible that he would not have voted without first doing his homework.
Next time this comes up, say in a debate, I hope Obama asks Hillary if she actually read the NIE or just relied on the executive summary (provided out of the goodness of his heart) by Bush. Not many read the actual report, and HRC has been evasive whenever asked if she did. or didn’t.
The Clintons are getting really desperate, I can see. Touch shit, Hill. You thought you were going to be handed the nomination on a silver platter, and it isn’t turning out as planned.
Sounds like a lie to me. And I don’t know why you think he wouldn’t lie. Some time ago he said he was against the Iraq war from the start, and that wasn’t true either. Among other lies he’s told.