Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread

[Biffster]

@Jophiel

He keeps saying that there’s “emails” that will prove it.

Um, maybe… maybe… he has an email from one or two people that can be taken as very weak circumstantial evidence (“See, she asked me for a job a year later so I couldn’t have done that!”) but he has emails relating to all of the claims at this point?

I thought Trump had a thing about e-mails…
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[Defensive_Indifference]

@Jophiel

He keeps saying that there’s “emails” that will prove it.

Um, maybe… maybe… he has an email from one or two people that can be taken as very weak circumstantial evidence (“See, she asked me for a job a year later so I couldn’t have done that!”) but he has emails relating to all of the claims at this point?

Even back to 1997. Remarkable!

Plus, emails are not that hard to spoof. If he turns over paper printouts of his emails from an old AOL account or something, I’m not going to regard those as all that compelling.

[The_Other_Waldo_Pepper]

@Bayard

I’ll actually be disappointed if we don’t get tape of Trump dropping a racial slur or recounting the details of an assault

Personally, I’ll be disappointed if it that “or” there doesn’t get replaced by an “and”.

[coremelt]

@Bayard

Even back to 1997. Remarkable!

Plus, emails are not that hard to spoof.

Emails are trivial to spoof. They are plain text files (or RTF files) and you can edit the headers to say whatever you want. It’s fair to say that an email is not proof of anything unless there is substantial additional evidence which corroborates the email. In Trump’s case where it’s supposed emails from a job seeker it’s as valid as if I just typed out a random text file and claimed that it was evidence.

[Count_Blucher]

@Smapti

Mark Cuban will find a way.

(PS: I’m still richer than you.)

I honestly think Mark could probably toss us each a million dollars and still be richer than Drumpf.
Not that I’m asking. Some days I do better with Pennies that others do with Millions…

[Czarcasm]

@Count_Blucher

Not that I’m asking. Some days I do better with Pennies that others do with Millions…

Mark, buddy…if you’re reading this, I’ll take his million just to keep your books straight.

[iiandyiiii]

On Morning Joe about an hour ago Ben Carson said, about the Trump accusers, that “it doesn’t matter whether they’re lying or not”. Really.

[Lacunae_Matata]

@running_coach

I understand it will be more explosive than the evidence uncovered in Hawaii.

My prediction: somewhere, there’s a recorded statement of Donnie saying “Did not!” Or “Nuh-uh!” Or maybe something about rubber and glue.

Meanwhile, I’m struggling to take the high road while dealing with social media and political opinion.

Background: a while back, I received a Facebook friend request from a familiar name. We had a couple of dozen mutual friends, so I assumed that he was the “John Doe” that I remembered from high school band, and accepted the request. But he didn’t look very much like the guy I remembered, and he was a couple of years too young. So I started looking for the other John Doe, because I wondered what ever became of my old friend.

My Google search unearthed some unsettling information about my new Facebook friend - namely, that he’s a registered sex offender, due to improper contact with a minor. He was charged in 2007, when he was almost 40 years old. (In other words, it wasn’t a case of a 19-year-old dating a 16-year-old. I checked, trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.) I just quietly removed him from my contacts.

Last night, I saw a post from the sex offender, endorsing Donald Trump for president, because a mutual friend commented. And it took all of my willpower to stop myself from making ugly remarks about the parallels between the two…

So I came here to vent a little. Sorry!

tl;dr: within a limited sample size, white middle aged sex offenders would vote for Trump if only they weren’t disenfranchised convicted felons! And I’m slowly learning how to avoid stupid political shitstorms on social media.

[Elendil_s_Heir]

Ah, Ben. We’d almost missed you after all these months.

[Jophiel]

Carson also said (in the same interview) that the newspapers weren’t unbiased so they don’t deserve First Amendment protections. This is a guy who ran for president, folks.

[Enlightening_Meditation]

Gloria Allred plans to introduce another Trump accuser later today. Cite

[Defensive_Indifference]

@coremelt

Emails are trivial to spoof. They are plain text files (or RTF files) and you can edit the headers to say whatever you want. It’s fair to say that an email is not proof of anything unless there is substantial additional evidence which corroborates the email. In Trump’s case where it’s supposed emails from a job seeker it’s as valid as if I just typed out a random text file and claimed that it was evidence.

Yes, true. I was being understated . I investigate computer security incidents for a living – I look at spoofed emails all the time. My phrase “not all that compelling” might reasonably be translated to “utter bullshit”.

I’m a Midwesterner. I like understatement.

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@Jophiel

Carson also said (in the same interview) that the newspapers weren’t unbiased so they don’t deserve First Amendment protections…

That gets him on Trump’s shortlist for SCOTUS nominees.

[RickJay]

@Northern_Piper

I’m not following this hypothetical.

As has been pointed out by others, you need to keep going through the Constitutional process and what happens if the House cannot agree on a President. 538 lays it out in great detail.

[Steve_MB]

Ben’s grain doesn’t go all the way to the top of his pyramid.

[Anny_Middon]

I haven’t seen this posted here (apologies if I missed it).

Trump refused to let his campaign research his past.

Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s first campaign manager, requested that Trump submit himself to a forensic evaluation that is traditional for any public figure seeking office, according to people granted anonymity to speak freely about the campaign’s start-up days last year. Opposition research would allow Trump’s new political team to prepare for potential attacks on his candidacy.

Paul Manafort and his team made a similar request when they took over the reins after Lewandowski, who was ousted this June.

Trump declined, the people said, and the issue became a point of contention among his closest political advisers and some long-time employees at the Trump Organization.

[Ukulele_Ike]

Trump will either provide evidence that he was sexually assaulting some OTHER women at that time, or that his dick fell off his body in 1987.

[Count_Blucher]

@Elendil_s_Heir

Ah, Ben. We’d almost missed you after all these months.

He must have seen the “Bat-Shit” signal…?

[Northern_Piper]

@RickJay

As has been pointed out by others, you need to keep going through the Constitutional process and what happens if the House cannot agree on a President. 538 lays it out in great detail.

From reading your summary, it sounded like you thought the Senate was involved in the vote for the President.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

Some great lines in this Rolling Stone article:

On the field of GOP hopefuls that Trump beat:

All 16 of the non-Trump entrants were dunces, religious zealots, wimps or tyrants, all equally out of touch with voters. Scott Walker was a lipless sadist who in centuries past would have worn a leather jerkin and thrown dogs off the castle walls for recreation. Marco Rubio was the young rake with debts. Jeb Bush was the last offering in a fast-diminishing hereditary line. Ted Cruz was the Zodiac Killer. And so on.

On Trump suckers/supporters:

Duped for a generation by a party that kowtowed to the wealthy while offering scraps to voters, then egged on to a doomed rebellion by a third-rate con man who wilted under pressure and was finally incinerated in a fireball of his own stupidity, people like this found themselves, in the end, represented by literally no one.

On covering Trump this campaign:

Keeping up with Trump revelations is exhausting. By late October, he’ll be caught whacking it outside a nunnery. There are not many places left for this thing to go that don’t involve kids or cannibalism. We wait, miserably, for the dong shot.