Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread

I just had to check the headline in The Onion

Trump: ‘I Know That Was Pretty Bad, But Let’s Just Say You’re Going To Want To Save Your Energy’

I’m going to back you on this. The guy who sexually assaulted/harassed me was about that age, wealthy and my boss. And I’ve seen and heard tales of it over and over again from women.

I do think its gotten better. Legal and HR are much faster to tell these guys that the women are not employed for their benefit. And there aren’t many of that generation left in the corporate world. But Trump is of the age where everyone looked the other way.

If Trump hasn’t left a string of payoffs and gag orders behind him - I’d be shocked. And nothing I’ve learned in the past day has changed my thought that he’s been asaulting women and then legally gagging them for years.

Women don’t come forward with this sort of stuff. They won’t win. It comes down to he said she said. Trumps lawyers say they will countersue for slander and you’ll have a million dollars in legal bills. But, if you drop it, here is $30k - and a gag order.

Article in the New Yorker on the disrupting effect of memes on viral media.

"Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life. "

The thing is, people who go to church on Sunday should have no business hiring a hit man/assassin at all.

I’m going to quote myself, since I don’t think this comment got sufficient notice, due to the speed of this thread.

He’s talking about himself I think.

I stand by my snark. :smiley:

Waiting for someone to take an Obama Hope image and turn it into a Trump meme: “GROPE”

Sometimes, you just can’t wait for God to smite someone.

It seems very odd to me to be arguing on this MB against people who, apparently, think unwanted sexual touching/groping in the workplace was a relatively uncommon occurrence 50 years ago.

Yes, but

Like reverse Roe v. Wade, keep out non-Christian refugees, keep out desperate refugees from war-torn countries (even if they’re Christians), appoint super conservative Supreme Court Justices, in short, bring back White Christian America.

May have to break some heads in the process. Principles may have to be set aside for a while. That’s ok. It’s God’s work. Even if we made a deal with the devil to get it done.

Melania’s response. Pretty mealy mouthed.

Warning: The link is to the Trump campaign website.

I more think the problem is when you repeatedly acted like this was no big deal and when you said "Lots of guys are pigs. Lots. And the love talking about sex. Maybe not so much 60-year-old guys (I think Trump would have been about that age when he made the comments), but younger guys? Yep. And not just HS sophomores. Put guys together and bragging about sexual conquests is SOP. I hate to burst your protective bubble, but that’s the way it is. " as though this was just sex instead of thrusting himself on women without warning. And then said it wasn’t sexual assault to grab a woman by the pussy if she didn’t do anything to stop it.

The later stuff - that there are plenty of people who will engage in sexual assault if they think they have the power to do so without reprisal - isn’t sd much the problem to me is as the repeated insistence that there’s nothing assaultish about it and the snide “protective bubble” comments when talking about how men talk in the present day.

I understand the belief this won’t kill Trump’s campaign - it’s like a friggin’ immortal, surviving things that would destroy any other candidate - but not the repeated “guys totally talk like this all the time when not in mixed company” when we’re talking about men talking about just going up and groping women without indication, without determining or regarding consent before acting.

Oops. Here is the correct CNN link.

Condoleezza Rice wants the Orange Groper to withdraw:

These leaks may have convinced me to vote for Hillary over a third party (Trump, obviously, was never in the running).

Character is what you are in the dark. These leaks indicate that Hillary is honest, introspective, rational, and pragmatic. These qualities had not been obvious to me from her public appearances–but they come through clearly in the leaks.

She acknowledges that politics is a lot of sausage-making; that while she had a middle-class upbringing, she no longer has a strong connection to them; that she supports free trade; and so on. A lot of stuff that might sound bad to the profoundly ignorant and those unwilling to take context into account, but satisfyingly honest to those looking for more than soundbites.

I’ll have to think more on whether I can actually support her, but that she’s qualified is now without question to me.

Halfway through the debate Hillary should pull out a thing of tic tacs and offer them to Donald.

Pavlovian reflex: he tries to kiss her.

Tic Tac responds