I guess I see you and the OP as people who’d rather argue terms and definitions instead of policy and principals and how they differentiate the candidates.
When someone presumes to want to know what the others side is critical of, and then flatly dismisses any and propositions as not reaching his threshold of criticism, I think why waste the time. Why would anyone?
It’s a joke argument designed to do one thing - allow the OP to rant and rave, bitch and moan, all the while acting like he/she is genuinely, seriously, considering the other side.
I don’t speak for the OP, but I think the Iran hostage crisis would count. The seeds for it were planted decades before, but it happened on Carter’s watch so he gets the blame. Reagan does not deserve credit for ending it, though.
If I were to ask a person in the 50s in Germany, “Name an SPD disaster”, I think most of them would be hard-pressed to do so, because the bar for “disaster” had been set so high by a different party. The republicans have yet to heat up the gas chambers, but there is nothing the democrats have done in the past 30 years that even comes close to what the republicans have done in the last 15. Or the last 8.
What do you see as a disaster for the democrats, Hewey?
No you still don’t get it. What has to be intentional is mishandling classified information. Not mishandling emails. So to be guilty there would have to be evidence not that she mishandled emails in general, but that she knew emails were classified and still mishandled them. That seems to be lacking.
As to the allegation that she “opened that confidential information up to the world” how so? Her server was never hacked. When you have to make shit up, it might be because you are wrong.
Your statement was that she was a felon. Since that’s gone sour, now you’ve retreated to “stupid/arrogant”. Sticks and stones.
Thank you. This should certainly go a long way to sate the curiosity of the countless people who were sitting here thinking “all well and good, but I wonder what** HeweyLogan**'s opinion of all of this is?”
Vietnam was mentioned up thread. I think that’s the gold standard for Democratic fuck ups (we started paying attention under Ike, but JFK put our soldiers in harms way, and LBJ elevated it into an unwinnable war).
You? Any quagmire that you might lay at the feet of the GOP?
I’m pretty sure if a bomb killed 238 Marines in Iraq and Obama immediately pulled all our troops out, the Republicans would be calling for his head and initiating Impeachment proceedings.
You know, like what totally happened to St. Reagan. :rolleyes:
What could he have done differently? I used to know Persians that were exiled due to the revolution and they never mentioned Carter. I wasn’t alive then so I don’t know much about it.
*not trying to argue, I really don’t know enough about it
It’s not hedging, it’s reality. Stuff like this doesn’t have one simple cause you can point to, one person who deserves the blame, or one moment when it all goes away. The hostage-takers original demand (or one of them, at least) was that the U.S. return the Shah to stand trial (he was admitted to the U.S. for cancer treatment), but the Shah left the U.S. after only a month, died in Egypt in July, and the hostages were kept until the following January. All the hostages were returned safely, but eight servicemen died in a failed rescue attempt. Should Carter not have approved the rescue mission; should previous administrations have pushed for more military funding and training so we could have carried it out successfully? This shit’s complicated.
I knew one of the hostages, very briefly; he lived on my paper route and spoke at my high school. I always find it odd when conservatives accuse Democrats of being soft on the Middle East and cozying up to extremists. The hostage-takers loathed Carter.
To the contrary, it’s you who has declined to offer an example disaster, just prattling meta-gibberish.
Contemporary examples offered include Obama’s economy and ACA. Is that what you got?
Are you familiar with the 2008 Credit Crisis, which surpassed all but one of the U.S. financial crises in the 20th centtury? Have you noticed that the S&P 500 Index almost tripled under President Obama? Tripled. That’s not something you see ever day. If you think the Obama economy has been a disaster, I’m curious what you’re smoking.
Unless you think the Americans could have invaded and occupried the Iran to overturn a popular revolution against the detested Shah, this is empty.
It is also grossly ignorant, for on the Sunni side the modern Islamist movements already existed since the 1920s, and were significant from the late 1970s in the middle east after the failure of the 67 war.
badly informed empty opinions.
Nothing other than a full scale American colonial intervention, so wishing the Americans to commit the Soviet mistake of Afghanistan.
It would have been a lot worse than Afghanistan. Carter - and Ford and Nixon - might have gotten the Shah to be a bit more inclusive, and maybe reached out to the Ayatollah, but I’m less than sure this would have done any good. It was also the first case of radical Islamists taking over, so Carter could be excused for not being perfect.
I wonder if people who think we could have marched in there were old enough to read at the time. Or realized this was just a few years after the end of the Vietnam War, so we didn’t want to save any more countries from themselves.
ETA: I was referring to the economy when I said mess at the end of the Carter administration, not Iran.