IzzyR. It’s also well known that heavy Crack smokers are less likely to get Parkinsons, Alzheimers, or Liver spots.
Brewed tea has 40-60 mg of caffeine
Drip coffee has 115-175 mg.
coffeeFAQ
I think it was having to climb a mountain every day to go to college from 1997-99, but it’s open to debate.
Hundred years war: 1337-1452. Renaisance: Beginning of the 16th century. 1500. Martin Luther: 1483-1547. Think about it. Doctors have been practing blood letting with leaches for thousands of years up until the 1920s or so. That didn’t start or end with the revolution. I can’t disagree with your point about the indian culture’s destruction, but I can only ask, do you think all of the coffee came from Asia?
And just so you know, I’m not advocating that people stop drinking coffee.
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Interestingly, no one has pointed the benefits of coffee, only that it’s not bad. Hmm. I don’t think coffee actually stunts growth as a direct side effect. Rather, people consume coffee instead of food ,which would indirectly affect your weight.
And I am aware of the faulty logic of assuming that coffee prevents “high culture”, obviously there were many other influences…right?
That’s not the point though.
OK. So what is the point??
There’s no reason at all to think that coffee ended the Renaissance. Nor is there any reason to think that coffee has any more of an effect on human biorythms than sugar, fat, poor eating and sleeping habits, television, and sitting on one’s ass all day typing at the computer.
I drink coffee because I love the flavor, the smell, and yes, the effects. Overdosing on anything is dangerous. But to say that one or two cups of good coffee a day is dangerous or foolish is laughable.
One or two cups of coffee a day IS foolish.
It takes three or four to get my heart-rate up to “undead,” even more if I want consciousness (which is grossly overrated).
But then, being an SCA wannabe, I think we should all stop drinking coffee RIGHT NOW and bring back the renaissance.
I think coffee needs to be drunk or else the economies of several South American countries will collapse.
That’s reason enough for me to keep having a cup a day.
Even though I drink coffee that’s grown on Kauai.
My point was and remains that the value of coffee is debatable. I have asked all of you to debate it, which only a few of you have done. The rest have made various witty comments that are just annoying after 30 seconds.
Your idea that the consumption of coffee = the downfall of our society is silly. Can you back that up a little better than “coffee was introduced around the 16th century and everything has been messed up since then”??
Caffeine is a mild poison. That said, however, the better the coffee you are drinking, the lower the caffeine level (that cup o’ Maxwell House has more caffeine in it than your single tall latte at a good coffee house).
That last paragraph was a little off topic, so I will focus more.
You argue that coffee was introduced in about the 16th century and since then, things have never been as good. This being true, you say, due to the fact that coffee causes you to sleep less, messing up the body’s natural cycle.
Unforunately, tea has been drunk since much much much much further back than the start of the Rennaisance (did I spell that (or caffeine) right?) and it to contains caffeine. As well, things like the Industrial Revolution had a much greater impact on the nature cycle of people’s bodies that the ingestion of caffeine did (how much coffee do you think the poor labourers of early 18th century London drank?). People congesting into larger and larger urban centres, working in drastically different environments then previous generations had … this would have had a far greater effect on the natural rythms of the body than coffee would have.
In short, you are silly.
I don’t think the OP deserves anything more than a variety of witty comments.
Coffee’s effect on the Renaissance is not much more sensible than another thread debating about whether or not Pat Buchanan was right in claiming that homosexuality brought down the Weimar Republic.
Are we all supposed to rise to coffee’s defense and say, “No, coffee is the single greatest thing in civilization.”
A lot of aspects of our diet has changed since the Renaissance. We’re not eating as much mutton or black bread either. Most people can eat meat anytime they want, even if it is nothing more than a hamburger.
The average person in the Renaissance would have found a hamburger a rare treat served only at a major occasion.
I know I’m silly God damn it! But what’s wrong with you people, this is called great debates yet you’re not supporting coffee, you’re only saying why it’s not bad. Isn’t that ironic? I say I’m a better debator by showing how you’re a bad debator in that you only attack other things…hmmm…
Ok, yay for coffee! And don’t call me silly for asking questions. If you look back to the OP, I very clearly state that these ideas are not my own.
~Dan
Just so you know ,I do drink coffee.
Argeable Just because you posted something fit for IMHO or MPSIMS in GD - does not make it into a great debate. No-one is calling you silly for asking questions - they are calling you silly for jumping to silly conclusions, for failing to understand cause and effect and for presenting a childish argument and getting upset when no-one wants to play by your rules.
Russell
That is the second time I have heard that coffee can cause premature aging. Could you provide me with a line that explores that in greater detail. In the mean time, I found this link http://www.cosic.org/health/body.html that gives some potential benefits of coffee, although I can’t vouch for the accuracy of these folks. The OP reminds me of a comedian I saw who drew a correlation between the removal of cocaine from Coca-Cola and the Great Depression (although I think the chronology is all wrong.)
Oops. Rented fingers. I meant link, not line.
This is not true. Peet’s coffee which is one of the best, if not the best, has a very high level of caffine. A small cup contains around 150mgs. A larger cup has a higher level of course.
In defense of coffee, I understand that it is used theraputically as an enema by certain groups practicing alternative cancer treatments. So, you can have your morning cup and a healthy colon, too!
Argreable, from the OP:
I thought I answered this, but looking back, I guess not. “Should” implies a moral or ethical imperative (“obligation or duty” per the dictionary). That does not apply to drinking coffee. I drink it, I see nothing wrong with it in moderation. My SO does not, I see nothing wrong with that.
Again, where’s the debate?
No, you haven’t. You asked for opinion. Unless you are willing to support the somewhat incoherent non-argument in your OP, knowing our objections to it, there can be no debate.
[sup]blessedwolf, when was the last time you were actually conscious? I mean, c’mon . . .[/sup]
Ok, I stand corrected. I admit that most of what I’m passing on is just that- hearsay. I’m not doing a very good job of thinking through what I’m saying. So, it looks like coffee is good. I think I’ll head down to the local Starbucks where I get free coffee, because my sister works there. (Well, it’s only free when she’s working.) It’s a great deal.
~Dan
It’s not like they fired a starting gun in the year 1500, sweetie. According to the Illustrated World Encyclopedia, “the Renaissance is usually considered to have lasted from about 1450 to about 1600, with the early Renaissance beginng 75 to 100 years before 1450” (which would be, lemme see, oh no, math, 1350 to 1375).
So the Hundred Years War and Martin Luther do count as “Renaissance” stuff. What’s that got to do with doctors practicing bloodletting up until the 1920’s? What revolution? If I didn’t know better, Argeable, I’d say you were posting drunk again. 
No, I don’t think all of the coffee came from Asia. I don’t think any of the coffee came from Asia. According to my Illustrated World Encyclopedia, coffee is believed to have originated in Ethiopia, which is in Africa, not Asia.
If you want us all to join you in debating whether or not people should drink coffee, why didn’t you just say, “Hey, I don’t think people should drink coffee”? Instead you have to drag all this Renaissance stuff into it.
And IMO you shouldn’t post OPs that include ideas that are not your own, unless you’re going to say, “Hey, here’s what somebody says, whaddaya think?” It’s difficult enough to defend an OP that is your own, without having to stick up for somebody else’s ideas.
I don’t think being drunk is a good thing at all. I’ve been drunk many times in my life and the hangovers really suck! Consuming that much alcohol is bad for your liver and causes many other health problems. Although it may help the coffee to temporarily forget it’s problems, afterwards the problems will still be there and perhaps even worsened by the binge.
Be a good cup of coffee and drink responsibly!!