Question FS: Why didn’t you claim the previous Day when you were also in this position?
And again- late lynches like this… really irk me. I just finally got in today to check in on the game (not that I had a vote on you), and you’ve ended up claiming today? On the Last Day? Not cool.
However, should you really be the doctor, you’re pretty much screwed with the Scum RB out there tonight.
So I’m content with trusting your Role claim (regardless of whether I believe it or not- since I’d say AGAIN the whole two people lined up after you’re on the hot spot is really irksome) as it is the safer town play to make. IF you ARE the doctor, I don’t want to lynch you and I don’t want to take the risk to help the scum along any more. They can do it themselves and we’ll know the truth soon enough.
So I’m content with my vote where it stands. As the Mhaye- let’s lynch him for acting TOO townie and the “Fuzzy Math” logic doesn’t quite grok with me. I’ll have to wait and see for more information.
This is a lazy shit vote btw.
I dislike it quite a bit as it is a lurking vote- basically she’s done nothing to convince you, but do you have anything else to add to the FS data or anything else? It’s basically giving FS no chance at a defense or a chance to try at all.
If you’re gonna revote FS for past data- the least you can do is show some effort at contributing bysumming up which parts of the previous day’s arguments vs. FS you find incriminating or at least re-stating the case vs. FS in your own words. AKA you gotta start leaving a paper trail for yourself, because right now you’re not contributing valid data points but only blips in space, which is not the optimal townie thing to do.
Well, see my last post–I thought there were a couple more days left. And MHaye was tying with me. Then all of a sudden it seemed the day was ending Tuesday night, and I realized that it wasn’t worth waiting for MHaye’s case to build up steam. I came close to claiming yesterDay too but I really didn’t want to play my hand that soon. I wanted to avoid claiming all together but I kind of figured I HAD to at this point.
On the other hand, I am really curious as to what FS really is. As if she’s scum that’s twice we’ll have had two bandwagons to save her. and there’s always some good data to be found in the voting analysis (This is just some thoughts pre-night in case I don’t make it around to when that sorta data becomes accessible). Two Days with FS cases- if she’s scum, that’s two bandwagons that came on her, and then away from her both filled with voters that have interesting voter histories to look at. Also, if she IS Town, then we need to do what I’ve been looking at- what’s the motivation for the votes, each person needs to have some accountability for their votes.
Also, “I’ve been playing scummy intentionally” is a great move… but really as a doctor?
That’s… not optimal. Best way to play doctor in this sorta game is to be a lurker doctor- you get no heat and you get no information and YOU CAN SELF PROTECT!!!
The Vig means nothing to you, the doctor is only key for the END GAME, so he wants to just stay around- hence self protecting only to not protect when there’s a cop or information to be had…
That’s what I find MOST scummy about your role claim- the late hour, the fact that you’ve been “trying to avoid scum by acting scummy” when you WANT scum to waste a NK on you actually, and the fact that you state you’ve been protecting **PEEKS **instead of yourself. That’s NOT wise Doctoring right there.
Fair enough. But what about the previous day? And anything on the whole DoctorScummy strategy?
It seems like that’s trying to hand wave away your behavior as to why you’ve been called out for acting scummy, because why would a doctor fear being NKed by scum?
I’m sorry, Freudian, but I just don’t believe you. You were closer to a lynch yesterday and didn’t claim. You say you thought there were “2 days left in the game” (in the game? I guess you expected the GAME to end for you), but we’ve been talking about ending the Day today since the end of the previous Night. Remember all that voting we did? I simple typo in ONE vote count post doesn’t excuse you from not knowing when the Day ends, especially since all the other vote counts have had accurate countdowns.
I’m going to work this afternoon at 3pm EST and won’t be back home until after the end of the Day. I might or might not be able to check in, but I’m comfortable where my vote is.
If I had a stronger scum read on another player I’d have pushed for that lynch instead. I’m not really sure if Freudian’s anti-town play is scum motivated, but was no longer willing to give her a pass. Tactically, I considered Freudian to be the best lynch out of the 3 vote leaders at the time (FS, Tom and Cookies). At worst, lynching Freudian removes a distraction and gives us some voting records to analyse. The policy I’m referring to is lynching players for anti-town play. Eventually you have to lynch anti-town players or you are giving scum permission to play as scummily as they like.
If you really are the doctor, that is just awful play. Giving everyone reasons to vote you just screws up everyone else’s read of the game.
If Freudian is not the doctor, I don’t want the real doc to claim at this point.
I’m not removing my vote from FS. In this setup, that might not be the smart move, but I don’t find the last minute claim and defence of “I was playing scummily” believeable, or see how town can accept that. FS has a history of being lynched, so for her to try this in order to protect a power role makes no sense. She wouldn’t be an obvious target for the scum to NK, and in any case could self protect.
Quick summary of the case on FS as I see it, weakly justified votes (#640 stands out for me), minimal content for the number of posts she’s made, failure to familiarise herself with the setup, failure to check any facts.
I’ve given my thoughts on several players, and you can always ask me questions. I’m not very happy right now as I’m not getting enough from several players to make any proper judgement on their alignment. In particular, I want to hear more from Malahoth, MHaye, Nanook and Storyteller. I also need to have another read through Red’s posts.
In the absence of a counterclaim, I’m willing to believe her for now. Not sure who to vote for at this point–I’ve pretty much been on a one-track path to lynch someone who appears to be our doctor. I’m not even sure if a counterclaim is the best play at this point, though, if FS is not the Doc.
I get the feeling that if we could just find one Scum, the whole house of cards would come tumbling down. We just have to find that first one. And now I have no clue who it might be.
I’m also conflicted on whether a real Doctor should make a counter-claim or not. On the one hand, we’d have a scum in hand. But this late in the Day, I think it’s difficult to predict what the effect of a counter-claim would be. Another reason why Freudian’s late claim is suspicious.
I think if **Freudian **is not killed during the Night we should definitely lynch her tomorrow. With a scum roleblocker in play, she cannot effectively self-protect.
But there’s a Wine in Front of Me argument there, isn’t there? Knowing that we’re determined to lynch her if she lives out the night, the scum kill someone else, causing a mislynch tomorrow…
If they block peeker, though, they are in no danger of losing the Scum roleblocker overnight. And this frees them to go after the Cop, knowing that Town will almost certainly mislynch a Doc FS tomorrow if she lives through the Night.
But they don’t KNOW that the Town will lynch **FS **tomorrow. There is clearly enough disagreement on this point to make them nervous about leaving her alive.
It does not seem pro-town for ““town”” to say that they would want another town member dead. The entire thinking here on MHaye’s part is just off for me. I figure I should let him know that I don’t like that type of thinking.
I reviewed the game back when I started, and I went back just now to double check that the events unfolded as I remembered them.
Then at 390 peeker claims Vig. Pede, the SK is then lynched soon after.
Currently, we have Freudian at 872 claiming to be Doc.
I don’t see a "“390"” to balance the 872. It would be the obvious vote change to Freudian if there was one. I don’t see one, so until then my vote stays.
But that’s not what mhaye was saying at all. He was speaking in the hypothetical.
Trying to decide between votes for Meeko or Mahaloth, based on what appears to me to be opportunistic voting based on a clear misinterpretation of mhaye’s point.
Of course, if mhaye turns out to be Scum, I’m gonna look like a maroon.
I really, really, really hope FS is scum and that the real Doc is out there somewhere protecting him/herself or Peeker. If not, we stand to lose both our Vig and claimed Doc over the next couple of nights.
If I hadn’t revoted Thing Fish after his first Doc claim in the previous game, I’d have no hesitation to do it now - FS has lied, misinterpreted, misquoted, made poor arguments for votes, and been anti-town in so many ways I can’t believe it was all a “ploy” to confuse scum - but I don’t want to lynch a claimed Doc.
As for my vote, leaving Story aside till he’s better, I’m torn between lesser suspicions on Mahaloth (for his weak votes on Rin/Meeko, Nanook and MHaye), MHaye (for his crappy "scum wouldn’t do that’ defence) and Meeko (for seemingly pushing for a Doc counterclaim along with a weak vote on MHaye).
And it’s getting late for me… And for the others who have yet to vote.
I’m not even sure if a counterclaim is the best play at this point, though, if FS is not the Doc.