Colorless Mafia

Well that’s an interesting twist.

Firstly, apologies for quietness; I’ve been concentrating on other games the last day or so.

Unlike ToeJam, I have no objection to a hidden Doc protecting an exposed Town power role. It is not (and should not be) automatic for the Doc to protect themselves once a power role is outed and forced to claim. Playing by rote will almost always result in the Scum getting the upper hand.

I can also see FS’s claimed strategy. Scum will very seldom kill someone they think they might have a chance of getting lynched, not without a strong indication that the player has a get-out-of-jail free card. I’ve actually found myself in a similar situation; as a backup investigator, I was quite happy to attract two or three votes in a Day. It wasn’t until Day 8 that I was force to claim, by which time I had a significant collection of investigations, only one of which turned out to be wrong.

I suppose I should claim, just so you know what you’re lynching. I am…

Vanilla Town.

Well, that’ll get no-one off my neck.

Serious Business will follow after I’ve reread the last couple of pages and digested. Back in a couple of hours.

Like several of you, I am torn about what to do here. I find it hard to believe that as Town doc, she was playing this way on purpose. I seriously doubt her claim. Yet, I don’t want to lynch what might be one of our few power roles. I will

**Unvote Freudian Slit
**
for now.

I was not as sold on anyone else’s case, but Mahaloth had become the most suspicious to me, both for some of the reasons outlined by Tom Scud and his (in my opinion) weak reason for voting for MHaye. I will

vote Mahaloth

very interesting. while i will freely admit bringing up the mafiate comment i also caveated it with a hypothetical? so the real quick jumps are looking kind of fishy. **maha]/b] and meeko. **maha/b] because of the Day 1 ridiculous questions about an rb’s power. meeko because he says i am full of hot air and then latches on. both seem manufactured to move to a “safer” target.

also, the whole what the heck does our doc do. shit, its wifom either way.

i would recommend that if our real doc is notfreud that they come forward. then we lynch freud and we put the wifom in the scums lap. it also gives our dick another day making the scum worry about how to play the vig doc rb kill thingie.

and my case against mhaye is founded much more on metagame stuff than the whole mafiate comment. as well, as any disagreements on strategy. matter of fact the folks that kind of align with my strategy and opinions make me real nervous.

Right, I’m off to bed. Sorry I won’t be around to see a counter-claim, MHaye’s “serious business” or a vote from Mhaye, Nanook or Cookies.

I’m not convinced of the case against MHaye. I can’t bring myself to revote FS yet. I think the case against Tom is almost non-existent. So, of the candidates (and to avoid placing another singleton vote):

Vote Mahaloth

For the reasons mentioned previously - but mainly his voting record: for keeping a “lurker” vote on the subbed-in Meeko and the jump on MHaye’s bandwagon.

preponderance.

fuck it.

unvote

vote mahadada

i thought he was scum on Day one and recent participation makes me more convinced.

and we are going to run out of time here pretty quick. if you are a town rb and target my ass i hope you get fleas.

shit, let me do my job.

An examination of the developing bandwagon against me.

We start with [post=11922510 ]814[/post]. I state that killing the SK early hampers Scum. This comment was based on my experience in a game where the Deadites suffered two losses out of six by the dawn of Day 2, and were further crippled by the total inability of the two serial killers to actually kill anyone. Thus the number of mislynches required for the Deadites to win the game was too much, and we were hunted down and lynched.

This wasn’t the only time I’d seen it, but it crystallised the realisation that the SK is a net asset to the Scum in the early days.

In post [post=11931295]841[/post], Peeker expresses disagreement, claiming the chance of the SK hitting scum are too high. I replied with [post=11931460]845[/post], making a back-of-the-envelope calculation showing that the most likely single result is the one scum want. My contention was therefore that, in the absence of mitigating factors (which I chose to ignore for first approximations) the scum would be better off on average leaving the SK alive in the early game. This was a rebuttal to the contention that the SK was too likely to hit scum in the early game.

In post [post=11931661]848[/post], Peeker brings up that a scum is more valuable to the scum team than a townie is to the Town. While true, I dispute that it affects the topic under discussion, which is that over a long series of games the SK will advance the cause of the scum more often than that of the Town, and in a considerable number the SK will have no impact.

Post [post=11931697]849[/post] : Red Skeezix tries to suggest that I’ve used the wrong starting numbers for the size of the game, which is true, although I doubt that it invalidates my conclusion, and that the game involves strategy. He neglects the strategy considerations for the SK – which dictate that the SK needs to shrink Town in the early game. In other words, in the early game the aims of the scum and SK are the same – they both want to reduce the Town numbers significantly.

If you look at the votes against me, this is when they start to pile up. Red here pings me because he’s trying to fuzz what I’m saying.

Freudian Slit votes me in [post=]851[/post]. I’ve already discussed this; she’s she’s using a hypothetical construction as a confession. Poor vote. I don’t intend to vote her right now, absent a counterclaim. The argument that she should have claimed Yesterday appears to have some prima facie merit and maybe that should be looked at.

Mahaloth votes for me in post [post=11932114]855[/post] based on strategy differences. Bad vote.

Meeko votes me in post [post=11932141&postcount=856 ]856[/post], not exactly giving much reason and (again) ignoring that the statement of mine that he quotes is a hypothetical.

Finally Red Skeezix, in post [post=11933565]871[/post]. shows he’s missed the entire context of post 845. Either that or he’s chosen to suppress it in order to divert the lynch from Freudian Slit.

All in all I think that looking at my bandwagon, Red Skeezix stands out. He’s pushed it based on a misinterpretation of what I said. Now, while I could have expressed myself less ambiguously in at least one place, it’s not where Red has picked on. Red has ignored the full context of the discussion, has cast doubts on my analysis but then not actually considered the strategy of the SK, and has effectively diverted attention from an FS lynch for the second Day running.

Vote Red Skeezix

I have a secondary suspicion, which is Mahaloth, based on the weak reasoning for his vote. FS and Meeko are less so, because they based their vote on one of the statements that I could have, on reflection, phrased a little more clearly.

On preview : Currently Mahaloth and I are tied on four votes. I could switch for self-preservation, but I want my major suspicion recorded while I go and review Maha’s posts.

Uh, are we tied then. Can I at least get a vote count before the end of the day?

I’m vanilla town by the way.

NETA:

Are we tied then?

Is this the correct, but unofficial vote count? I want to know where I stand with all this last minute swapping.

4 Votes
*MHaye
Red Skeezix (849), Freudian Slit (851), Mahaloth (855), Meeko (856)

4Votes

Mahaloth (1 #728) Tom Scud MentalGuy Guiri, Peeker

2 Votes
Freudian Slit (6 #867) Drain Bead (707 891),),

ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (779 817), Alka Seltzer (835), Tom Scud (859 873), USCDiver (865), GuiriEnEspaña (867 874)

2 Votes
Tom Scud (2 #751) ToeJam (737), storyteller0910 (751)

1 Vote – Red Skez

MHaye

Ok here it is. I think scum would make a self preservation vote so that we’d have to waste the next day lynching them. You have not done this. Not doing so is a dumb play for scum, but I’ve sat in your shoes before as town and made the same choice as a last ditch effort to convince people that I’m town in a close vote.

I know that this puts me high up on the lynch list for last minute vote changing, but I’m going with my gut.

unvote MHaye

I wasn’t too suspicious of Mahaloth until the early part of today when he placed a lurk vote in short succession with Tom Scud. Looking back, he seems to be flying low, especially with the continued voting for absentee players.

vote Mahaloth

On preview I see that Maha has claimed vanilla town, so I don’t feel so bad about switching.

hey, skeez?

ever had a vig knock at your door at night?

Come knockin’ you’ll see my true color.

Yeah, well, that’s how it goes.

Another vanilla town out of the game, which reduces the pool for scum!

Go town! :slight_smile:

So, red skeeziz is comforted in killing a vanilla town? Interesting.

By the way, this last minute pile-on is very suspicious as well. Hmmm…

When switching a vote late, with the possibility of you not being here and being the detective. Absolutely. I almost didn’t switch, I had been sitting on that post for a while WiFoMing my self to death about the decision.

hey, freud protect your ass.

it’s wifom a little with you but not so much with moi.

good luck town, i am going to shoot tonight. but i really don’t expect to see the dawn.

go dick go. you’ll have three tomorrow.

let 'em rip.

My apologies. We’re still unpacking between rain showers and dealing with my mother-in-unlawfulness who wants to do “fun” things like go shopping at Bed Bath and Beyond in the middle of the chaos.

Well, looks like I’m a goner for sure.

Ed, I’d like to be spoiled as soon as I’m out. Please PM me the info.